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Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:31 pm
by strider67
G26ster wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote: I would (and do) take my jacket and put my right arm as I get out of the car. This covers my gun even if I never put my left arm in. .
It's probably just me, but I don't understand. Did you mean to say. "...put my right arm
in... If so, how does this cover a gun in the door pocket?
I took it as he was covering in either a shoulder/IWB/OWB on his right side with his jacket. Had he exited the vehicle without the coat, it would show his gun and would not be concealed any more. Just like it would not be concealed any more were you to open the door...nothing to cover it.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:32 am
by texanjoker
chandler583 wrote:No, I don't. But, I have often wondered about what would happen in that situation.
I learned many moons ago to take why a person was arrested with a grain of salt until I read the reports. They always downplay or minimize what they did. I would bet this incident is no different.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:54 pm
by Nano
I regularly carry using a Sneaky Pete holster. It is ideal to drop in the door pocket or simply lay on the console or seat next to you. Completely conceals the gun.
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Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 pm
by A-R
If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:27 pm
by Nano
A-R wrote:If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Look at the top photo (just posted). The gun is concealed yet very accessable.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:36 pm
by sjfcontrol
A-R wrote:If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Really? I looked at both pictures, and I didn't see ANY guns.
In fact, they look like the packet I got my owners manual(s) in for my last car.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:55 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
sjfcontrol wrote:A-R wrote:If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Really? I looked at both pictures, and I didn't see ANY guns.
In fact, they look like the packet I got my owners manual(s) in for my last car.
Same here. All I saw was a leather pouch of some sort. I have put my gun on the passenger seat and thrown a shop wrag over it. Poof... Concealed.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:42 pm
by kjolly
Once he has removed his body it is visible by people walking by. It is not concealed in this location unless he also has something over it.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:03 pm
by Nano
kjolly wrote:Once he has removed his body it is visible by people walking by. It is not concealed in this location unless he also has something over it.
You lost me. Would you mind explaining that a little more in detail?
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:07 pm
by Dirthawking
Nano wrote:kjolly wrote:Once he has removed his body it is visible by people walking by. It is not concealed in this location unless he also has something over it.
You lost me. Would you mind explaining that a little more in detail?
He is not talking about your picture....talking about the original situation....
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:16 pm
by Nano
Yes, I realized that but I guess I wasn't thinking about the original question. A red rag or ball cap should be sufficient to cover the gun.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:25 pm
by texanjoker
A-R wrote:If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Yup..plus let's hear the real story on this arrest. Provide a name and arresting agency and we keep request the case. I'll be there is more to this story...
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:44 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
texanjoker wrote:A-R wrote:If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Yup..plus let's hear the real story on this arrest. Provide a name and arresting agency and we keep request the case. I'll be there is more to this story...
The gun most certainly is concealed when the door is closed. It was "in plain view" only when the driver obeyed a lawful order of an officer. Why do you doubt that such an arrest?
Chas.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:30 pm
by 08thunders
chandler583 wrote:Also, I've recently seen this, and was a little interested in everyone else's opinions. A young man was pulled over for some sort of traffic violation, the officer asks him to step out of the vehicle, which causes him to expose his handgun that was in (I'm assuming) the door of the vehicle. The handgun is concealed while all doors are closed, but not once the drivers door is open. This young man has no CHL for clarification. He was arrested for having the handgun in the car exposed. I was curious on what the law said about that.
The MPA law only protects motorists if the handgun is not in plain view. Unlike CHL, there's no intent to display required. If it's in plain view, there's no MPA protection according to the black letter law, even if it's accidental. Same as it doesn't matter if you think she was 18, when she's really 16. No mens rea is needed to convict.
For the young man arrested, without pictures it's impossible to know if was in plain view with the doors closed.
Re: A Couple Questions for LEOs.
Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:36 am
by texanjoker
Charles L. Cotton wrote:texanjoker wrote:A-R wrote:If the gun is in the door pocket then it is not concealed. What does the person do when they exit the vehicle in a public parking area? Crawl out the window like "The Dukes of Hazard"?
Find a better place to conceal your gun.
Yup..plus let's hear the real story on this arrest. Provide a name and arresting agency and we keep request the case. I'll be there is more to this story...
The gun most certainly is concealed when the door is closed. It was "in plain view" only when the driver obeyed a lawful order of an officer. Why do you doubt that such an arrest?
Chas.
The OP states he heard this second hand. This may have happened or may not have happened. We don't know. In my experience when you pull the reports they are usually a lot different then what was said, and this wasn't said from the alleged person that was arrested. There is probably more to the story. In fact I would hope there was more then a legally carried gun in the door resulting in an arrest.