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Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nyj wrote:Interesting how many people are scared of their gun. If it's in a quality holster, the trigger is NOT going to get pulled.

Its not the pistol in the holster (it wasn't for me anyway). Its the pistol falling from the holster, or out of your hand, or an accidental discharge when you draw it.

Modern handguns are designed so that they can only fire if the trigger is pulled.

bdickens wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nyj wrote:Interesting how many people are scared of their gun. If it's in a quality holster, the trigger is NOT going to get pulled.

Its not the pistol in the holster (it wasn't for me anyway). Its the pistol falling from the holster, or out of your hand, or an accidental discharge when you draw it.

Modern handguns are designed so that they can only fire if the trigger is pulled.

Agreed, which is why when I dropped my shiny uber 1911 and screamed like a little girl (my daughter hates it when I say that) it wasn't because i was worried it would go off but because I worried I just broke my shiny toy...

However NDs can happen if "the pistol falling from the holster, or out of your hand, or an accidental discharge when you draw it."
The number of unintentional discharges by police and others show it does occur. Glock leg is not just a myth.

Now good training and good gear (in that order), and a good routine will help a lot of that, but there's a reason the old man taught me to keep the safety on when moving around with a rifle. Unforseen things can and do happen.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
However NDs can happen if "the pistol falling from the holster, or out of your hand, or an accidental discharge when you draw it."
The number of unintentional discharges by police and others show it does occur. Glock leg is not just a myth.

It is my very sincere belief that they *forgot* they pulled the trigger.

On any modern semi auto handgun, there is a firing pin block. That firing pin block is held firmly in place by a spring. The firing pin cannot move forward and strike the primer while the block is in place. The lever that pushes the block out of the way is only actuated when the trigger is at the extreme rear of the pull. The block is removed an instant before the sear releases the hammer or striker.

You can't drop a gun hard enough to dislodge it and it is perpendicular to the firing pin, so the forces that could potentially actuate the firing pin won't even affect the block or vice versa.

The FBI tests all this stuff thoroughly.

You can take the slide off your pistol and push the firing pin forward with a small drift punch, it won't go forward until you identify the block on the underside of the slide and press it up.

People either:

1) Pull the trigger then lie about it.
2) Grab for the dropped gun and perhaps pull the trigger.
3) Drop the gun precisely so that the trigger is fully actuated by an object the gun strikes while falling.
4) Truly have a malfunctioning gun.

I find 3 and 4 about as likely as the occurrence of porcine aviation.

"Glock Leg" happens as a direct result of violating rule #3.

1) Pull the trigger then lie about it.

Yep. Hwoever its still fired. Training and practice can reduce this risk to immateriality with a non modified trigger. its one reason I play the weekend IDPA hack, and have also kept my CC piece at its stock 6.5lb pull. Inversely seeing two "expert" level 1911 shooters get jingled up in one way or another thumbing their active safeties are a big reason I switched to a DOA only piece despite my preference.

2) Grab for the dropped gun and perhaps pull the trigger.

Yep, I'd also proffer the trigger getting snagged by something else on the way day or when it lands.

Both of these are why I personally like a grip safety but your mileage may vary. Of course my CHL is an M&Pc so I guess my mileage varied too.

I carry my Glock 22 loaded twith Critical Duty ammo with one in the tube. I feel completely confident & safe!!!

I have read documentation of exactly one instance in which a normally-operating handgun fired without the trigger being pulled. It was an M1991A1 (a 1911) which fired while cocked and locked.

A cop walked into an MRI room after a misunderstanding of where the radiologist told him to go, and those very strong magnets just yanked the gun, and pulled the firing pin block out of the way.

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So, keep your gun in good working order, holstered w/ the trigger covered, don't try to catch it if you drop it and stay away from ridiculously strong magnets, should be no troubles carrying with one in the pipe ;)

Glocks were made to carry cocked and one in the pipe. Safety rule One, don't put your finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot something. Around the house and even in town I carry without a holster. No Offense but "Mexican carry". Just stuff it in my pants IWB. I'm not going to try to work the slide to "load" the pistol in an emergency! By all means NEVER carry if your uncomfortable in your gun. Of coarse I carry a 1911 in condition 1 the same way!

docbrazos wrote:Glocks were made to carry cocked and one in the pipe. Safety rule One, don't put your finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot something. Around the house and even in town I carry without a holster. No Offense but "Mexican carry". Just stuff it in my pants IWB. I'm not going to try to work the slide to "load" the pistol in an emergency! By all means NEVER carry if your uncomfortable in your gun. Of coarse I carry a 1911 in condition 1 the same way!

to each his own. You're a braver man than most!

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nyj wrote:Interesting how many people are scared of their gun. If it's in a quality holster, the trigger is NOT going to get pulled.

Its not the pistol in the holster (it wasn't for me anyway). Its the pistol falling from the holster, or out of your hand, or an accidental discharge when you draw it.

No modern handgun should be capable of firing due to being dropped. Look for an internal safety that prevents the striker (or hammer) from working unless the trigger has been pulled. If your gun doesn't have one, get a new gun.

sjfcontrol wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

nyj wrote:Interesting how many people are scared of their gun. If it's in a quality holster, the trigger is NOT going to get pulled.

Its not the pistol in the holster (it wasn't for me anyway). Its the pistol falling from the holster, or out of your hand, or an accidental discharge when you draw it.

No modern handgun should be capable of firing due to being dropped. Look for an internal safety that prevents the striker (or hammer) from working unless the trigger has been pulled. If your gun doesn't have one, get a new gun.

You're assuming something doesn't snag the trigger on the way down, but you're right on the landing part. However, things can and do happen. Some dude popped a round in the lobby of the shootin' range last night, thinking he had cleared his pistol. BANG instant test on who of us are deaf or not...

sjfcontrol wrote:

mikebass78 wrote:Table top Flat ( CHL Instructor, Made us qualify this way )

What does that mean?

This

mikebass78 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

mikebass78 wrote:Table top Flat ( CHL Instructor, Made us qualify this way )

What does that mean?

This

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OK, I'm confused.

a) None of those targets replicate the CHL qualification target.
b) How can a CHL instructor tell you what sight picture you "must" use?

Or c) how can he tell anyway?

I didn't even use my sights until I got to the 15-yard line and still only 3 rounds hit outside the 8 ring.

jayinsat wrote:

docbrazos wrote:Glocks were made to carry cocked and one in the pipe. Safety rule One, don't put your finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot something. Around the house and even in town I carry without a holster. No Offense but "Mexican carry". Just stuff it in my pants IWB. I'm not going to try to work the slide to "load" the pistol in an emergency! By all means NEVER carry if your uncomfortable in your gun. Of coarse I carry a 1911 in condition 1 the same way!

to each his own. You're a braver man than most!

I want to hope he was being sarcastic, but I don't think he was. What he is doing is just plain stupid.