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Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:29 am
by MadMonkey
Abbott's support in the past leads me to believe he's telling the truth. I'm done with politics for now, though.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:36 am
by TexasGal
I live in Wendy Davis' district. I have written her several times (very politely) concerning campus carry. She nor her office never even once replied to my letters in any way. She represents and cares about only the liberal agenda. Pro abortion at any stage for any reason. Anti gun to a fault. Ambitious and not in a good way. If she gets to the governor's seat, she will do all in her power to turn Texas blue and all in her power to tear down our gun rights. As long as it does not seriously hinder her goal to be President some day IMHO. She is not our friend.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:16 am
by longtooth
TexasGal wrote: She is not our friend.

BullsEye. 4 words say it all.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:03 pm
by cb1000rider
Ultra_Solo_Sig_0904 wrote:as long as he doesn't have completely opposite views on a couple other subjects he'd have my vote!

Like what? Like you - I'm not going to vote for a candidate *just* because of 2nd amendment views. Those views are bonus, but they're not the "meat".

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:44 pm
by Jumping Frog
cb1000rider wrote:
Ultra_Solo_Sig_0904 wrote:as long as he doesn't have completely opposite views on a couple other subjects he'd have my vote!

Like what? Like you - I'm not going to vote for a candidate *just* because of 2nd amendment views. Those views are bonus, but they're not the "meat".
I have noticed a Politician's attitude about freedom, liberty, and the Constitution relating to firearms is a very strong indicator of their willingness to entrust other areas of life to the people instead of centralizing government power and reach.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:28 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
cb1000rider wrote:
Ultra_Solo_Sig_0904 wrote:as long as he doesn't have completely opposite views on a couple other subjects he'd have my vote!

Like what? Like you - I'm not going to vote for a candidate *just* because of 2nd amendment views. Those views are bonus, but they're not the "meat".
I care a lot about issues other than guns, but a candidate's position on guns and the Second Amendment is my first inquiry. If they are wrong on either, then I don't care how they feel about anything else. They cannot overcome being wrong on freedom's litmus test.

Chas.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:29 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Cedar Park Dad wrote:
Tic Tac wrote:
baldeagle wrote:The liberals are working very hard to take over Texas. They've made it their special project. I guarantee you his support of open carry and campus carry will be used to smear him as an extremist. He'd better be ready to defend himself
You can see it on some gun forums already with the fifth columnists rampng up their smear tactics on open carry.
Please clarify this statement.
I too would like to know what you mean.

Chas.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:33 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Vol Texan wrote:
Cedar Park Dad wrote:
Tic Tac wrote:
baldeagle wrote:The liberals are working very hard to take over Texas. They've made it their special project. I guarantee you his support of open carry and campus carry will be used to smear him as an extremist. He'd better be ready to defend himself
You can see it on some gun forums already with the fifth columnists rampng up their smear tactics on open carry.
Please clarify this statement.
This is only a guess, but I think he's referring to the 'fifth estate', which is a term used to describe the web bloggers. It's an extension of the 'fourth estate' which is a term used to describe the media in general.

From Wikipedia:
Making reference to the medieval concept of "three estates of the realm" (Clergy, Nobility and Commons) and to a more recently developed model of "four estates", which encompasses the media, Nayef Al-Rodhan introduces the weblogs (blogs) as a "fifth estate of the realm". Blogs have potential and real influence on contemporary policymaking, especially in the context of elections, reporting from conflict zones, and raising dissent over corporate or congressional policies. Based on these observations, Al-Rodhan suggests moving beyond traditional thinking that limits the “estates of the realm” to governmental action and proposes a broader perspective in which civilians or anyone with access to a computer and the Internet can contribute to the global political change and security.[5]
So...perhaps he means a bunch of trolls out there on other gun forums already ramping up the rhetoric in advance of the 2014 gubernatorial election.
I suspect he means exactly what "fifth columnist" means; i.e. there are "traitors" within the gun community opposing open-carry. I anxiously await clarification.

Chas.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:24 am
by SQLGeek
It is going to come down as either Greg Abbott or Wendy Davis as governor. What I know for sure, Wendy Davis is NOT who I want to be the governor of our state. The fact that Greg Abbott is an ardent supporter of gun rights and has been unflinchingly is just icing on the cake to me.

The only downside to him being governor is that he would not longer be our AG. In that respect, I hope we can replace him with somebody just as qualified.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:14 pm
by cb1000rider
Charles L. Cotton wrote: I care a lot about issues other than guns, but a candidate's position on guns and the Second Amendment is my first inquiry. If they are wrong on either, then I don't care how they feel about anything else. They cannot overcome being wrong on freedom's litmus test.
Chas.
That makes sense. To me, it's not primary. I want to know how they're going to manage our money and the economy in general. Texas is in good shape - maybe thanks to Perry - maybe nothing to do with Perry - and I don't want that screwed up. 2nd amendment comes in lower place.

I'm always interested in people pointing out what they agree with or object to... And often I think that a candidates stance on controversial issues is all about retaining the support of the base. Abbot is pro open carry. That's great. Is he actually planning on making some changes?

Ms. Davis has her own set of issues, but I don't think we'll get a rational discussion out of them on this forum.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:51 pm
by RoyGBiv
SQLGeek wrote:I hope we can replace him with somebody just as qualified.
Smitherman is quite the sparkplug and also 2A dedicated, having been first in the State (AFAIK) to permit his RR Commission employees to CHL on the job.
Unfortunately, he's had a bad case of foot-in-mouth recently.

I don't know much about Branch, Paxton or Glass(L), yet.

An endorsement from Abbott would carry a lot of weight for me.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:27 pm
by WildBill
Keith B wrote:
baldeagle wrote: The leftists are spending megabucks here to turn the state blue.
The state is turning blue because they are trying to choke the living crap out of everything good thing there is here. :banghead:
Keith - That's probably the best explanation that I have heard. :thumbs2:

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:31 pm
by nightmare69
If we go blue state income tax will not be far behind. I hate to say this but I see it happening within the next decade, I pray that I am wrong. If Texas does go blue I will strongly consider packing up and leaving my home state.

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:41 pm
by WildBill
nightmare69 wrote:If we go blue state income tax will not be far behind. I hate to say this but I see it happening within the next decade, I pray that I am wrong.
:iagree:

Re: Abbott supports Open and Campus Carry

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:44 pm
by Dragonfighter
I have said this elsewhere on this forum. I have personally had dealings with AG Abbott's office, one of which he personally called me on. He's got my vote for whatever he wants, whenever he wants it.
I care a lot about issues other than guns, but a candidate's position on guns and the Second Amendment is my first inquiry. If they are wrong on either, then I don't care how they feel about anything else. They cannot overcome being wrong on freedom's litmus test.

Chas.
Those that protect and/or act to restore my God given right to self defense has insured I can protect all of my other natural rights.