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Oldgringo wrote:

jmra wrote:
Well stated Mr. Cotton.

Let's be perfectly clear, my drug of choice has a screw on top.

Mine has a cork.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

jmra wrote:
Well stated Mr. Cotton.

Let's be perfectly clear, my drug of choice has a screw on top.

Mine has a cork.

mine has caffeine and sugar

and very well stated, thank you Mr. Cotton, I tried earlier but gave up.

The State has no intentions of ever winning their "War on Drugs". If it wanted to "win" it would legalize them and watch the free market in action as the Economy roared into motion. People will buy drugs until the end of time. Why send that money to a drug cartel? Do we do this so the ATF can sell them guns? I believe we could knock out the "War on Poverty" at the same time. War on Poverty 1964, 37 Million. War on Poverty 2011, 46 Million. Another failed "Socialist War" nearly 50 years later.

The State loves drugs. It gives them cause to harass & criminalize the Citizens and keep the Judicial System in business. If there were no "problems" who would need the State at all? How can we insert Federal Authority (DEA) into local Law Enforcement?

Legalize Drugs and a new Multi-Billion-Dollar Industry inside the borders of the United States would be created instantly. Oh the horrors of a free Society running amuck doing as they please without the "help" of the State.

We now have a dead American LEO and an American Citizen charged with murder, and possibly linked directly to just one of gods many plants growing freely in Nature that has been Outlawed by the State. The State outlawing Nature. How crazy is that?

rbwhatever1 wrote:The State has no intentions of ever winning their "War on Drugs". If it wanted to "win" it would legalize them and watch the free market in action as the Economy roared into motion. People will buy drugs until the end of time. Why send that money to a drug cartel? Do we do this so the ATF can sell them guns? I believe we could knock out the "War on Poverty" at the same time. War on Poverty 1964, 37 Million. War on Poverty 2011, 46 Million. Another failed "Socialist War" nearly 50 years later.

The State loves drugs. It gives them cause to harass & criminalize the Citizens and keep the Judicial System in business. If there were no "problems" who would need the State at all? How can we insert Federal Authority (DEA) into local Law Enforcement?
...."Abraham".......

I agree. One additional little factoid. The DEA receives billions of dollars in revenue from the American people each and every year. They are dependent on "creating" a drug problem to preserve their own jobs. Local law enforcement agencies love drug laws that allow them to illegally seize/confiscate property from Americans with no trial or court orders. Many law enforcement agencies have come to depend on this source of revenue for their existence.

In a true high risk no knock none of you will fight back because you will be stunned out of your sleep by flash bangs and possibly gas. A real entry like that is used on armed and dangerous subjects. I doubt that was the case here. Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them. The facts will come out and from what I've seen the sheriff was tight lipped for the integrity of the investigation.

texas needs to change some of the laws that regulate drugs, especially weed. I'd be curious to see stats in five years from CO and WA to see if legalizing weed makes a difference. I have NEVER fought a person on weed but have fought and even had to shoot an armed person on alcohol. As obummer said its time for a change.

That's a fact. Illegal drugs are big business for the State.

Imagine Law Abiding American Citizens taking over completely all farming, processing, manufacturing, distribution, control and sales of Marijuana and Opium based products sold within our borders "legally" in our own stores to adults that are going to buy it anyway. At a 10th of the cost. With not 1 penny of profit leaving our borders or going to a street gang.

Today, a 12 year old American can easily buy heroin, marijuana, crack cocaine or any drug he wants on the street. That same 12 year old can not buy a 6 pack of beer, a bottle of whiskey or even a pack of cigarettes on the street. The only way to remove "illegal" drugs from our streets is to move them "legally" into the stores and put the current underground cartel system from South America along with all the US based drug gangs (on both sides of the Law) out of business forever.

Texas should lead the way. Production and sales legalized within our own borders.

rbwhatever1 wrote:That's a fact. Illegal drugs are big business for the State.

Imagine Law Abiding American Citizens taking over completely all farming, processing, manufacturing, distribution, control and sales of Marijuana and Opium based products sold within our borders "legally" in our own stores to adults that are going to buy it anyway. At a 10th of the cost. With not 1 penny of profit leaving our borders or going to a street gang.

Today, a 12 year old American can easily buy heroin, marijuana, crack cocaine or any drug he wants on the street. That same 12 year old can not buy a 6 pack of beer, a bottle of whiskey or even a pack of cigarettes on the street. The only way to remove "illegal" drugs from our streets is to move them "legally" into the stores and put the current underground cartel system from South America along with all the US based drug gangs (on both sides of the Law) out of business forever.

Texas should lead the way. Production and sales legalized within our own borders.

No argument here. I've been saying that for a long time-

texanjoker wrote:Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them.

And you resent people painting all COPS with the same dirty brush. I've never known a single attorney who will lie for a client.

As for COPS, the Houston PD lab has been shut down not once, but three times due to falsifying test results and creating reports showing results of tests that were never run. Some of the perjured was given in death penalty cases. How many of the HPD officers/employers were prosecuted? Not one! How about the officer (Dallas I think) who shot and killed the mental health patient without any justification, then lied in his report claiming the man charged him with a raised knife? Did his partner come clean and tell the truth? No he lied too to cover for his partner. Those are just two examples of many.

Chas.

my thing about this whole deal is it was ONE plant?!! what can you do with one plant? I don't even know. but can you even smoke once a week with one plant? I mean really? a no knock warrant and a cop killed because of ONE plant? I'm sorry.....I really am...but I think the judge that signed the warrant was in the wrong and the DA that put it in front of the judge should be slapped silly.

rbwhatever1 wrote:The State has no intentions of ever winning their "War on Drugs". If it wanted to "win" it would legalize them and watch the free market in action as the Economy roared into motion. People will buy drugs until the end of time. Why send that money to a drug cartel? Do we do this so the ATF can sell them guns? I believe we could knock out the "War on Poverty" at the same time. War on Poverty 1964, 37 Million. War on Poverty 2011, 46 Million. Another failed "Socialist War" nearly 50 years later.

The State loves drugs. It gives them cause to harass & criminalize the Citizens and keep the Judicial System in business. If there were no "problems" who would need the State at all? How can we insert Federal Authority (DEA) into local Law Enforcement?

Legalize Drugs and a new Multi-Billion-Dollar Industry inside the borders of the United States would be created instantly. Oh the horrors of a free Society running amuck doing as they please without the "help" of the State.

We now have a dead American LEO and an American Citizen charged with murder, and possibly linked directly to just one of gods many plants growing freely in Nature that has been Outlawed by the State. The State outlawing Nature. How crazy is that?

As I said, I don't have a solution, but legalizing all drugs would be a disaster. Far more people will experiment with drugs than do so now, and a large percentage of them will become addicts. Addicts will still rob and kill to get the money to buy drugs and the fact that they will make their purchases Krogers instead of their drug dealer won't matter to the victims. Overall crime will skyrocket.

I am in favor of decriminalizing some drugs, but I would replace criminal sanctions with civil penalties, denial of access to government subsidies, licensing and other non-criminal penalties. That frees up law enforcement and courts to some extent, while providing strong incentives not to use drugs.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

texanjoker wrote:Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them.

And you resent people painting all COPS with the same dirty brush. I've never known a single attorney who will lie for a client.

As for COPS, the Houston PD lab has been shut down not once, but three times due to falsifying test results and creating reports showing results of tests that were never run. Some of the perjured was given in death penalty cases. How many of the HPD officers/employers were prosecuted? Not one! How about the officer (Dallas I think) who shot and killed the mental health patient without any justification, then lied in his report claiming the man charged him with a raised knife? Did his partner come clean and tell the truth? No he lied too to cover for his partner. Those are just two examples of many.

Chas.

Actually I dont resent anybody. I dislike when people always jumping on the anti Leo bandwagon based on a media report with no facts. Unfortunatly some believe everything they read which is rather concerning. Last I checked, I also have the right to my opinion. For some reason you have taken shots at that on several occasions. I will always wait for the facts vs condeming somebody.

During my time I've seen many attorneys lie, show up high on drugs, smuggle stuff into jails, ect. You should have seen the lies an attorney said after my shooting. Heck if you believed him the guy I shot was unarmed despite the civilian witnesses that saw the guy and the weapon.

As I have always stated a Leo that lies should be fired period. I've personally ensured one that did was fired as well and I will never lie to cover for somebody Prosecutors are the ones that decide to prosecute a case. Why didn't they do that in the cases you mentioned? Usually because they want a high conviction rate for reelection. I've also seen Leos prosecuted for cases that would not be filed for a non Leo.

texanjoker wrote:In a true high risk no knock none of you will fight back because you will be stunned out of your sleep by flash bangs and possibly gas. A real entry like that is used on armed and dangerous subjects. I doubt that was the case here. Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them. The facts will come out and from what I've seen the sheriff was tight lipped for the integrity of the investigation.

texas needs to change some of the laws that regulate drugs, especially weed. I'd be curious to see stats in five years from CO and WA to see if legalizing weed makes a difference. I have NEVER fought a person on weed but have fought and even had to shoot an armed person on alcohol. As obummer said its time for a change.

gee hmmmm some of us have been trained how to mitigate those effects, and yep bad things happen to the entrants so you really need to stop thinking that because your an civilian LEO that your all that. no knocks are bad news and people die, please don't be one of them. As far as Lies well lets just remind you that the accused perp isn't the only one telling parables out of church. Also right now you are proving and furthering the us vs them mentality. I am responding to the current perceived tenor of your adamancy in your responses, I say the afore because I have found you to be a normally reasonable guy, but here I think that something is making you act abnormally.

As many have said here military weapons have no place in civilian hands and flashbangs need to be put back in the box, they hurt people sometimes kill them indiscriminately and gas needs to be restricted in its use to very limited situations and NEVER by civilians specially in either mass casualty or very restricted locations. I disagree with the widespread and uncontrolled use of military grade weapons by civilians and no not meaning small arms.

I do apologize if I have offended anyone, it was not my intention to do so, but rather to make a point

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

texanjoker wrote:Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them.

And you resent people painting all COPS with the same dirty brush. I've never known a single attorney who will lie for a client.

As for COPS, the Houston PD lab has been shut down not once, but three times due to falsifying test results and creating reports showing results of tests that were never run. Some of the perjured was given in death penalty cases. How many of the HPD officers/employers were prosecuted? Not one! How about the officer (Dallas I think) who shot and killed the mental health patient without any justification, then lied in his report claiming the man charged him with a raised knife? Did his partner come clean and tell the truth? No he lied too to cover for his partner. Those are just two examples of many.

Chas.

Yep... My mom... Who is a devout Christian woman still holds her bar license. She practiced family law and lying was not something she would do for any client. My son holds his license and would not lie for anyone... He specializes in business/energy law. My personal attorney also refuses to lie. He handles my business. It is one thing to make jokes about attorneys. It is a whole different matter to act as if they are all liars or dishonorable. In fact, the vast majority of attorneys are honorable people who practice their profession with the dignity it deserves.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

texanjoker wrote:Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them.

And you resent people painting all COPS with the same dirty brush. I've never known a single attorney who will lie for a client.

As for COPS, the Houston PD lab has been shut down not once, but three times due to falsifying test results and creating reports showing results of tests that were never run. Some of the perjured was given in death penalty cases. How many of the HPD officers/employers were prosecuted? Not one! How about the officer (Dallas I think) who shot and killed the mental health patient without any justification, then lied in his report claiming the man charged him with a raised knife? Did his partner come clean and tell the truth? No he lied too to cover for his partner. Those are just two examples of many.

Chas.

Yep... My mom... Who is a devout Christian woman still holds her bar license. She practiced family law and lying was not something she would do for any client. My son holds his license and would not lie for anyone... He specializes in business/energy law. My personal attorney also refuses to lie. He handles my business. It is one thing to make jokes about attorneys. It is a whole different matter to act as if they are all liars or dishonorable. In fact, the vast majority of attorneys are honorable people who practice their profession with the dignity it deserves.

My youngest brother, an attorney, is one of the most honest people that I know. I would trust him with my life.

JP171 wrote:

texanjoker wrote:In a true high risk no knock none of you will fight back because you will be stunned out of your sleep by flash bangs and possibly gas. A real entry like that is used on armed and dangerous subjects. I doubt that was the case here. Having seen attorneys flat out lie for their clients I don't often believe them. The facts will come out and from what I've seen the sheriff was tight lipped for the integrity of the investigation.

texas needs to change some of the laws that regulate drugs, especially weed. I'd be curious to see stats in five years from CO and WA to see if legalizing weed makes a difference. I have NEVER fought a person on weed but have fought and even had to shoot an armed person on alcohol. As obummer said its time for a change.

gee hmmmm some of us have been trained how to mitigate those effects, and yep bad things happen to the entrants so you really need to stop thinking that because your an civilian LEO that your all that. no knocks are bad news and people die, please don't be one of them. As far as Lies well lets just remind you that the accused perp isn't the only one telling parables out of church. Also right now you are proving and furthering the us vs them mentality. I am responding to the current perceived tenor of your adamancy in your responses, I say the afore because I have found you to be a normally reasonable guy, but here I think that something is making you act abnormally.

As many have said here military weapons have no place in civilian hands and flashbangs need to be put back in the box, they hurt people sometimes kill them indiscriminately and gas needs to be restricted in its use to very limited situations and NEVER by civilians specially in either mass casualty or very restricted locations. I disagree with the widespread and uncontrolled use of military grade weapons by civilians and no not meaning small arms.

I do apologize if I have offended anyone, it was not my intention to do so, but rather to make a point[/quotAee

See once again a post about my point of view is made personal......nothing more to say