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Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:02 pm
by WildBill
rp_photo wrote:I was thinking to myself today about the concept of Enhanced CHL that would afford privileges somewhere between Peace Officer and regular CHL. Extended privledges could include things such as being able to carry in off-limits places like bars and schools, being exempt from 30.06, being able to open carry, 50-state reciprocity, and being more prepared to act offensively, i.e. come to the aid of others.
This is why some police departments have reserve officers.
rp_photo wrote:It would seem to me that ECHL's could fill a valuable role in society. Has any though ever been given to this?
IMO, "ECHL" would not fill a valuable role in society.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:05 pm
by gigag04
WildBill wrote:rp_photo wrote:I was thinking to myself today about the concept of Enhanced CHL that would afford privileges somewhere between Peace Officer and regular CHL. Extended privledges could include things such as being able to carry in off-limits places like bars and schools, being exempt from 30.06, being able to open carry, 50-state reciprocity, and being more prepared to act offensively, i.e. come to the aid of others.
This is why some police departments have reserve officers.
rp_photo wrote:It would seem to me that ECHL's could fill a valuable role in society. Has any though ever been given to this?
IMO, "ECHL" would not fill a valuable role in society.
Here, we agree.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:05 pm
by WildBill
A-R wrote:30.06 is a touchy issue. I personally don't think a business open to the public should be allowed to dictate what I wear under my clothing. But some can't seem to separate this issue from the broader property rights issue.
As a property owner I can decide whether you come on my property based on your clothes. So I should be able to do the same for what you wear under your clothes.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:09 pm
by WildBill
gigag04 wrote:WildBill wrote:rp_photo wrote:I was thinking to myself today about the concept of Enhanced CHL that would afford privileges somewhere between Peace Officer and regular CHL. Extended privledges could include things such as being able to carry in off-limits places like bars and schools, being exempt from 30.06, being able to open carry, 50-state reciprocity, and being more prepared to act offensively, i.e. come to the aid of others.
This is why some police departments have reserve officers.
rp_photo wrote:It would seem to me that ECHL's could fill a valuable role in society. Has any though ever been given to this?
IMO, "ECHL" would not fill a valuable role in society.
Here, we agree.
Just to make sure that I am understood, maybe I should have expanded my statement about reserve officers. They have the same "privileges" as LEOs, since they are LEOs. What I meant is that the various departments, using reserve officers, can supplement the number of officers available for law enforcement activities without incurring the cost of hiring full-time LEOs.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:13 pm
by rp_photo
A-R wrote:
30.06 is a touchy issue. I personally don't think a business open to the public should be allowed to dictate what I wear under my clothing. But some can't seem to separate this issue from the broader property rights issue.
IMHO, CHL holder should be a protected class as far as public accommodation law. In other words, posting a sign that says "No legal concealed carry" should be the same as one that says "No wheelchairs".
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:17 pm
by mojo84
I like the idea of being part of the sheriff's posse. I just can't get ours to deputize me.
I would like for a chl to be able to carry the same place as leos. Not really interested in additional authority associated with it though. Too much potential liability.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:19 pm
by jmra
mojo84 wrote:I like the idea of being part of the sheriff's posse. I just can't get ours to deputize me.
I would like for a chl to be able to carry the same place as leos. Not really interested in additional authority associated with it though. Too much potential liability.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:32 pm
by rp_photo
I'm assuming that reserve officers are called to respond to a crisis such as a natural disaster, riot, etc., which makes them only helpful after the fact.
An ECHL would able to immediately respond on their own as would a regular CHL, only with superior training and ability carry in more places.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:40 pm
by WildBill
rp_photo wrote:I'm assuming that reserve officers are called to respond to a crisis such as a natural disaster, riot, etc., which makes them only helpful after the fact.
An ECHL would able to immediately respond on their own as would a regular CHL, only with superior training and ability carry in more places.
If an LEO requires assistance he/she can request the assistance of citizens. And they don't need no stinking badges.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:42 pm
by WildBill
mojo84 wrote:I like the idea of being part of the sheriff's posse. I just can't get ours to deputize me.
I would like for a chl to be able to carry the same place as leos. Not really interested in additional authority associated with it though. Too much potential liability.
I don't know if it's like in the old westerns where the sheriff can have you raise your right hand and throw you a tin shield.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:48 pm
by gigag04
Totally on board with the ECHL.
I think they should have to wear capes or tiaras so good guys know who they are.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:52 pm
by WildBill
gigag04 wrote:Totally on board with the ECHL.
I think they should have to wear capes or tiaras so good guys know who they are.
I knew that you would finally come around!
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:55 pm
by jbarn
rp_photo wrote:jbarn wrote:rp_photo wrote:
I envision an ECHL as being a regular armed citizen who can carry in a few more places and is better-trained.
What do you envision as better trained? Classroom training? Tactical Training? Perhaps force on force (using simunitions)?
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:56 pm
by Oldgringo
gigag04 wrote:Totally on board with the ECHL.
I think they should have to wear capes or tiaras so good guys know who they are.
The attire alone could be compromised; therefore, the
bona fide ECHL must also know and demonstrate the secret handshake and unique mating call of the ECHL.
Re: Enhanced CHL
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:00 pm
by mojo84
WildBill wrote:mojo84 wrote:I like the idea of being part of the sheriff's posse. I just can't get ours to deputize me.
I would like for a chl to be able to carry the same place as leos. Not really interested in additional authority associated with it though. Too much potential liability.
I don't know if it's like in the old westerns where the sheriff can have you raise your right hand and throw you a tin shield.
Darn. Maybe that's why he hasn't done it yet.
