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I have decided to carry with one in the chamber. I really appreciate everyone's input on this issue. This forum is simply excellent!!!

Paul

Cedar Park Dad wrote:OK just posted. If the 938 is SA only I'd definitely practice with the safety on and see if you can put a pocket holster in and draw clear. try it for a few weeks without one in the pop but in cocked mode if SA with safety or DA in decocked form.

The 938 is SA only and I will want to carry with one in-chamber, cocked, and safety ON of course. Draw, flip safety off, and fire. I assume when you suggest to "try it" that I would simply see if the hammer ever falls "on its own" i.e. with the trigger unprotected. I do intend to carry around the ranch (unloaded at first) in this manner just as part of getting used to the thing.

@Beiruty yeah the tommygunspack does seem to be adequate by itself, the issue of course is "can I get it out of the pack w/o accidentally pulling the trigger" which I'll need to practice but does anyone think I'm asking for trouble...

As all have said, search previous posts.
The short summary is yes - but carry in a holster made for your firearm that completely covers your trigger guard and has good retention. Don't skimp on holsters, belts, etc.

If you want an uncomfortable LOOKING way to carry, look at the 1911. One in the pipe, hammer back, safety on. IOW cocked and locked. This method has proved adequately safe for a hundred years. All modern revolvers have a hammer block that slides into place when the hammer is down and the trigger is not depressed. All except the NAA .22 and even that has an indexing system where by the hammer is "indexed" into a notch between chambers for carry. All modern semi-automatics are designed for chambered carry and have a variety of safety sequences from active safety to decocking lever or reset to half-cock like the Glock. The advice here is good, whatever carry method you chose make sure it protects the trigger and does not entangle the weapon. Practice deploying your weapon (cleared and safety checked) while keeping your trigger finger along side of the frame without it going into the trigger guard until you are on target.

Believe me, the last thing you want when a situation goes red is to have to chamber a round. This isn't Hollywood, the good guys don't always get a chance to rack the slide.

I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

TBM

carlson1 wrote:Welcome to the Forum. You will have to do what your comfortable with right now.

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

TBM

Great post.

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

TBM

Does Sig make a variant of that pistol with a safety? I am only aware of the DA/SA model with a decocking lever.

jbarn wrote:

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

TBM

Does Sig make a variant of that pistol with a safety? I am only aware of the DA/SA model with a decocking lever.

No safety, only decocking lever, which I never use. Actually, I got in trouble at the range when I shot for my instructor license because I wouldn't decock at the end of each shooting round. I don't train that way, ergo, I didn't shoot that way. I was so focused on shooting, that when the range master was chattering about 'if you're shooting a Sig, I want to see you decock...' that I didn't even realize he was speaking to me. Hence the safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.

TBM

The_Busy_Mom wrote:

jbarn wrote:

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer back.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

TBM

Does Sig make a variant of that pistol with a safety? I am only aware of the DA/SA model with a decocking lever.

No safety, only decocking lever, which I never use. Actually, I got in trouble at the range when I shot for my instructor license because I wouldn't decock at the end of each shooting round. I don't train that way, ergo, I didn't shoot that way. I was so focused on shooting, that when the range master was chattering about 'if you're shooting a Sig, I want to see you decock...' that I didn't even realize he was speaking to me. Hence the safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.

TBM

I take it you are carrying cocked and UNlocked. The hammer back on such a gun is an extremely unsafe method to carry. The Sig has a decocking lever for a very good reason. It is designed to be carried hammer down, with a double action first shot. If the double action shot is not for you, then I believe the DA/SA design is not for you.

It also is, in my opinion, a bad example for students.

I am not trying to chastise you. I realize you are an adult and you can do as you please, but I emplore you to not carry in that manner.

I am also sure you will respond with reasons why carry condition zero is safe, but I am just going to disagree.

I teach my students that it is their choice. I don't force my opinion on anyone, nor tell them what I think is right or wrong for them, sight unseen, training unknown. In my class, we discuss the advantages and disadvantages, and what one might expect with the method they choose. We discuss facts and responsibility.

I consider this carry cocked and locked because a mechanical safety is not the only safety a responsible gunowner has. You're number #1 safety is your handling/training/keep your finger off the trigger unless you are going to fire, no matter whether the hammer is down or cocked. A negligent discharge is going to happen no matter whether the hammer is down or cocked - it is negligent.

I come from a long background of LE in the family - from Dallas Sheriff's Office to Houston PD to Harris County Sheriff's Deputy, DPS, State Trooper. I can see that you are TCOLE, so I am going to make an assumption that you are either current LE or former LE, or related field. One of the biggest 'scares' for officers is having their firearm used against them. In many cases, officers will cite where the safety on their firearm was the one thing that kept the bad guy from killing them. Bad guy gets gun, shoots at officer, but bad guy doesn't realize safety is on, officer lives. But I am not LE and I want my gun to go bang when I point it. Don't get me wrong, I don't take this lightly. And again, I don't teach my tell my students how to carry. Ultimately, you know best about your training and your gun, and in the end, only you are responsible for your actions.

TBM

Dragonfighter wrote:If you want an uncomfortable LOOKING way to carry, look at the 1911. One in the pipe, hammer back, safety on. IOW cocked and locked. This method has proved adequately safe for a hundred years. All modern revolvers have a hammer block that slides into place when the hammer is down and the trigger is not depressed. All except the NAA .22 and even that has an indexing system where by the hammer is "indexed" into a notch between chambers for carry. All modern semi-automatics are designed for chambered carry and have a variety of safety sequences from active safety to decocking lever or reset to half-cock like the Glock. The advice here is good, whatever carry method you chose make sure it protects the trigger and does not entangle the weapon. Practice deploying your weapon (cleared and safety checked) while keeping your trigger finger along side of the frame without it going into the trigger guard until you are on target.

Believe me, the last thing you want when a situation goes red is to have to chamber a round. This isn't Hollywood, the good guys don't always get a chance to rack the slide.

And beyond that, there have been a number of times when carrying my 1911 that sometime during the day, the thumb safety got disengaged, but even so, the trigger was still covered by the holster, and the grip safety was still engaged. The gun cannot fire until you draw it, aim it, and will it to do so. . . . .and the trigger on a 1911 is MUCH lighter and shorter than a Sig DA/SA trigger.

Beyond that, you can also carry cocked and locked with a holster that has a retention strap which prevents the hammer from falling.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Beyond that, you can also carry cocked and locked with a holster that has a retention strap which prevents the hammer from falling.

MP Shield 9mm, loaded with one is chamber, carry every day

The_Busy_Mom wrote:I teach my students that it is their choice. I don't force my opinion on anyone, nor tell them what I think is right or wrong for them, sight unseen, training unknown. In my class, we discuss the advantages and disadvantages, and what one might expect with the method they choose. We discuss facts and responsibility.

Again, I 100% disagree with you. IMO, condition one, cocked and unlocked, is not safe.

I consider this carry cocked and locked because a mechanical safety is not the only safety a responsible gunowner has. You're number #1 safety is your handling/training/keep your finger off the trigger unless you are going to fire, no matter whether the hammer is down or cocked. A negligent discharge is going to happen no matter whether the hammer is down or cocked - it is negligent.

Again misinformation. Your gun, cocked, is NOT locked. Condition zero.

I come from a long background of LE in the family - from Dallas Sheriff's Office to Houston PD to Harris County Sheriff's Deputy, DPS, State Trooper. I can see that you are TCOLE, so I am going to make an assumption that you are either current LE or former LE, or related field.

You are correct, also a LE family. Dad a firearms instructor for DPS and the Dallas County Sheriffs Office (we probably know some of the same folks)

One of the biggest 'scares' for officers is having their firearm used against them. In many cases, officers will cite where the safety on their firearm was the one thing that kept the bad guy from killing them. Bad guy gets gun, shoots at officer, but bad guy doesn't realize safety is on, officer lives. But I am not LE and I want my gun to go bang when I point it. Don't get me wrong, I don't take this lightly. And again, I don't teach my tell my students how to carry. Ultimately, you know best about your training and your gun, and in the end, only you are responsible for your actions.

You know your gun will fire with the hammer down without the manipulation of any safety or other device, right? Because if so, I don't understand why you wrote that.

You, and I, are responsible for teaching our students in a safe manner, and instilling safe practices. Would you carry a cocked revolver?