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TexasGal wrote:I noticed in another story that he had "filled the void in his life" with violent video games from a young age. ..

So the parents let him make the decisions on how to structure his young life.

Having said that, I have three friends with grown boys, in each family one kid was lazy, couldn't hold a job, into drugs and in one case threatened his mother with a knife and another boy (young adult actually) stole his dad's tools and pawned them for drug money. The other kids in the family's were 'normal', happy, industrious, etc. My wife and I could never have kids and we're actually not regretting the fact that we're childless.

If only the media would not "commemorate" these monsters.

I'm firmly convinced others that are unhinged can be persuaded to acts of violence for their fifteen minutes of fame (or longer) with the medias help as in:

"Hey, I'm crazy as a loon, but would be less likely to commit acts of atrocity if ignored, but wow, with the medias help, I'll be front page news, I'll be on television, I'll be the subject of magazine articles, books and maybe even a movie."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/25 ... alifornia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Locked door that the girls did not open, saved them.

Ran down random bicyclists and scateboarders with his BMW.

philip964 wrote:http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/25 ... alifornia/

Locked door that the girls did not open, saved them.

Ran down random bicyclists and scateboarders with his BMW.

I wonder if this will result in CA increasing the clearance motorist are required to give bicyclist. Makes about as much sense as using this event for more gun control.

Abraham wrote:If only the media would not "commemorate" these monsters.

I'm firmly convinced others that are unhinged can be persuaded to acts of violence for their fifteen minutes of fame (or longer) with the medias help as in:

"Hey, I'm crazy as a loon, but would be less likely to commit acts of atrocity if ignored, but wow, with the medias help, I'll be front page news, I'll be on television, I'll be the subject of magazine articles, books and maybe even a movie."

The real problem was not the guns, the knife, the car, or even the nut job. The real problem was the parents who let the kid's issues fester until others had to deal with it.

He's been in therapy since he was 8, every day in high school. One of the men killed in the apartment he shared with him, was planning to move out at semester. Bought the gun with pocket money he saved that was sent by his parents and grandmother. He had $5000 in cash.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... amber.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is obviously a gun problem. Sarcasm off.

philip964 wrote:CNN is full of a news video interview of a victim's father blaming guns and politicians for his sons death, pretty powerful video. My anti gun facebook friends are all over this.

A few thoughts. First, the father made quite a few shekels promoting and glorifying violence in The Hunger Games. This is another mass murderer who doesn't fit the whole "Tea Party domestic terrorist" meme. Instead, he was a total lefty, active in The Young Turks. Half the people he killed were with knives, and another third of the victims were hit with his car, so find a way to blame the NRA.

Jumping Frog wrote:

philip964 wrote:CNN is full of a news video interview of a victim's father blaming guns and politicians for his sons death, pretty powerful video. My anti gun facebook friends are all over this.

A few thoughts. First, the father made quite a few shekels promoting and glorifying violence in The Hunger Games. This is another mass murderer who doesn't fit the whole "Tea Party domestic terrorist" meme. Instead, he was a total lefty, active in The Young Turks. Half the people he killed were with knives, and another third of the victims were hit with his car, so find a way to blame the NRA.

"Be proud America! The NRA has made us the laughing stock of the world. If you are a member, keep sending them blood money so more innocent people die."
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/ ... otings-map" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I'm sure the dead in Santa Barbara are glad they weren't stabbed to death, though. Make sure you catch the last flight to Mogadishu. That smell is the rotting flesh of your outdated ideas about guns. The backlash against your (and the NRA's) way of thinking will be far more severe than the reasonable gun control that has been proposed recently in Congress. Just wait. Before this decade ends we will witness a gun-related tragedy in this country that will put all others to shame. It's only a matter of time. Better stock up on ammunition."

"If you could reduce the number of cancer deaths among children through legislation, would you? I would. Guns kill twice as many children as cancer.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... eaths.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Sadly for the NRA, we are in the Information Age, and the truth is starting to regularly get past their efforts to thwart it. But sadly for the rest of us—and at this moment, most tragically, the victims at Santa Barbara—the NRA have been so successful at bullying, threatening and obfuscating for so long, that we likely have too many more UC Santa Barbaras to come."

"...because God knows that NRA talking points are Gospel. Chuck Heston: Lawgiver. Well he's dead and so is that kind of thinking."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/2 ... mg00000013" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the agenda of the other side. Three people were killed in spectacular fashion with a gun. So new laws must be written. By the way did anyone notice 81 Americans died in Mexico last year.

Talking about the Information Age amuses me considering that they constantly base the need for more gun control on emotion instead of logic and facts.

I see that the usual suspects haven't even let the bodies cool before starting the drum beat for more gun control. And the members of the NRA are the ones who should be ashamed?

Mr. Martinez is enduring a pain I cannot fathom and one I pray I never have to. He is hurting and the need to blame something is understandable. I just wish that in his pain he wasn't seeking to strip the rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

Family of shooter/stabber/BMW driver, has released a statement through their attorney:

“On behalf of the Rodgers family they want to make sure that the victims and the victims’ families are aware that this is the tragedy of the most extreme,” Shifman said. “They want to send their deepest condolences to all of the victims’ families involved.”

“My client’s mission in life will be to try to prevent any such tragedies from ever happening again,” Shifman said. “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

Shifman also claimed the family is “staunchly against guns” and supports gun control laws. “They are extremely, extremely upset that anybody was hurt under these circumstances.”

Are they against BMW's and knives too cause he killed and injured just as many with those tools as well.

Perhaps if they had spent more time on their child he would not have been a sadistic monster.

mamabearCali wrote:Are they against BMW's and knives too cause he killed and injured just as many with those tools as well.

Isn't it just amazing how this seems to be a non issue?

Are these people blind or just stupidly ignoring the facts?

Oh that's right. Silly me. How could I forget!? It doesn't fit into their agenda.

philip964 wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

philip964 wrote:CNN is full of a news video interview of a victim's father blaming guns and politicians for his sons death, pretty powerful video. My anti gun facebook friends are all over this.

A few thoughts. First, the father made quite a few shekels promoting and glorifying violence in The Hunger Games. This is another mass murderer who doesn't fit the whole "Tea Party domestic terrorist" meme. Instead, he was a total lefty, active in The Young Turks. Half the people he killed were with knives, and another third of the victims were hit with his car, so find a way to blame the NRA.

"Be proud America! The NRA has made us the laughing stock of the world. If you are a member, keep sending them blood money so more innocent people die."
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2012/ ... otings-map" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"I'm sure the dead in Santa Barbara are glad they weren't stabbed to death, though. Make sure you catch the last flight to Mogadishu. That smell is the rotting flesh of your outdated ideas about guns. The backlash against your (and the NRA's) way of thinking will be far more severe than the reasonable gun control that has been proposed recently in Congress. Just wait. Before this decade ends we will witness a gun-related tragedy in this country that will put all others to shame. It's only a matter of time. Better stock up on ammunition."

"If you could reduce the number of cancer deaths among children through legislation, would you? I would. Guns kill twice as many children as cancer.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... eaths.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Sadly for the NRA, we are in the Information Age, and the truth is starting to regularly get past their efforts to thwart it. But sadly for the rest of us—and at this moment, most tragically, the victims at Santa Barbara—the NRA have been so successful at bullying, threatening and obfuscating for so long, that we likely have too many more UC Santa Barbaras to come."

"...because God knows that NRA talking points are Gospel. Chuck Heston: Lawgiver. Well he's dead and so is that kind of thinking."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/2 ... mg00000013" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the agenda of the other side. Three people were killed in spectacular fashion with a gun. So new laws must be written. By the way did anyone notice 81 Americans died in Mexico last year.

A full-throated rebuttal to much of the above cited asinine analysis ...

http://www.thebangswitch.com/to-hell-with-facts/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.independent.com/news/2012/se ... id-attias/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Betcha did now about this.

Didn't get much play on NPR or CNN or MSNBC.

Here is more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Attias" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;