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Think MS is bad?

Try using Google to search for firearms.

They censor/delete ad results that include links to guns for the most part.

cb1000rider wrote:

VMI77 wrote:You sure someone didn't stick a "powered by Mircrosoft" sticker on there as a joke... I can see the pilots doing that.

Its not uncommon to have electronic glitches in aircraft upon start which require a complete electrical power down.
The EMB regional Jets were famous for that.
My saying was "Control-Alt-Delete" "Powered by Microsoft"

Consider using startpage or duckduckgo instead of g00gle. They take the cookie for you, at no charge. Starve the beast.

https://www.startpage.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Marshal wrote:Think MS is bad?

Try using Google to search for firearms.

They censor/delete ad results that include links to guns for the most part.

I use Google exclusively and havent seen that at all

Here is example
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=glock+17+for+sale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kahr+pm9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dont see any issues with those

It's google store (or something like that), not regular google that's filtered.

I prefer duckduckgo because they don't keep records on what is searched for or what links are clicked on. This allows the searches to be "natural", rather than weighted toward what you've found previously.

I can't tell Google sensors gun searches. Here is a search for "guns for sale".

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US& ... I8Hevw4FM4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yeah, I can't see that Google significantly censors searches for firearms.
I've done several searches using different keywords on the search engine, both in general search, and shopping search, using 'guns', 'firearms', and 'weapons', and it brings up tons of results.

Go to Google

Type in "Ruger 1911"

Then click the Shopping tab.

All you get is Holsters and grips.

They used to show you everyone that sold the Ruger 1911 and pricing.

Dumped them. I use Bing now.

The Marshal wrote:Go to Google

Type in "Ruger 1911"

Then click the Shopping tab.

All you get is Holsters and grips.

They used to show you everyone that sold the Ruger 1911 and pricing.

Dumped them. I use Bing now.

I just did this and got links to Cabela's, Gunbroker, prices, reviews and pictures. Google does track you and tailor your searches based on previous behavior, which is why we all likely get different results. You can use other search engines search engines that don't track, but personally I don't care about it because it is relatively unsophisticated and fairly useless for other than marketing.

The Marshal wrote:Go to Google

Type in "Ruger 1911"

Then click the Shopping tab.

All you get is Holsters and grips.
They used to show you everyone that sold the Ruger 1911 and pricing.
Dumped them. I use Bing now.

The initial statement was Google - not Google shopping

Googles shopping link works poorly for everything
Its not a search engine as much as a pay for play store ...
and they clearly disclose it
From google shopping pages
"Google is compensated by these merchants. Payment is one of several factors used to rank these results."
From adwords
'What's the policy?
Google AdWords doesn't allow the promotion of weapons or devices designed to cause serious harm or injury. The promotion of weapons includes guns, gun parts or hardware, ammunition, bombs, knives, throwing stars, and brass knuckles.
We've created this policy to comply with legal regulations.."
from Forbes
"Google’s new, anti-gun policy, assigns a “family status” to all products. Products that are “non-family safe” are blocked from Google Shopping. This includes guns, ammunition and knives, as well as vehicles, tobacco and radar scramblers."

Again Google shopping isnt a comprehensive search in ANY category, family friendly or not, its a series of ads from Paid Advertisers - Therefore it has little use to me.

You can do the SAME search in Google Web Search and get the results you want.
Try "Buy Ruger 1911" or "sold Ruger 1911" in the web search and you get unfiltered results

Google is a VERY powerful tool and they teach you how to use it in ways you would never think of
here are some videos that explain how to get great results fast
http://www.google.com/insidesearch/sear ... ining.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wont use Bing after working for the Microsoft Network for 4 years A LONG time ago. ( IE 1, and 14.4 modem Days ) That and they make a tool bar that takes 10 min to uninstall. What exactly is the tool bar doing to my OS if it takes 10 min to remove ? What crap are they tracking or phoning home with ?

jimlongley wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:

VMI77 wrote: personable (unlike me)

That's funny...

VMI77 wrote: I refuse to be treated like a criminal. Fortunately, my position gives me a great deal of discretion, so in those instances where flying is an option I choose to drive instead, and so far, I haven't been put in a position where flying is a necessity. Now, you should find this highly ironic: my oldest son finally got a full time position and he is going to be a TSA agent. He's a smart kid (has been tutoring math part time), personable (unlike me), married, and this is his first full time job offer in the 3 years since he completed college, so it's the first real opportunity he's had.

Yea, we definitely gave up a ton of personal freedom in exchange for an appearance of safety. Of course, the "safety" per dollar spent makes no sense.
I'm with you, I really don't like what goes on there - mainly the stupidity, arbitrary rules that have zero safety difference, and tax dollar spend. Never mind the fact that if you want an aircraft, you can simply walk onto one of the thousands of general aviation airports and end up in something quite capable.

Congrats on your son getting a job. Hopefully, he'll really shine and get moved up to something appropriate quickly. Or this job will lead to something else...

The idea is for it to lead to something else. After a year he gets priority consideration for other Federal positions, and apparently, many who start with TSA transfer into Customs, Treasure, Border Patrol, etc.

I saw TSA as a gateway myself, and took the ICE test passing with a super high grade according to the person that interviewed me. No age limitation was a good thing, but I was warned that I was going to have to pass a physical, which was not that bad and if passed was pretty much a sure thing for hiring. The week I got called for the physical I tore my shoulder on the job, lifting a very overweight bag, goodbye ICE job.

I did feel somewhat misused when people talked about TSA hiring "the dregs" and "wannabes" and such as well as being accused of violating rights (we did not). I am a retired telecomm engineer with pretty high standing (at the time) in the telecomm industry and laid off when the industry imploded, and I was surrounded by others in similar circumstances

Well, the media has made it sound like it's pretty easy to get in, but it wasn't quite so easy as people might think. The biggest issue for him is that most of the starting positions are part time. He was fortunate to find a full time position at a small airport in a pro-gun state.

VMI77 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:

VMI77 wrote: personable (unlike me)

That's funny...

VMI77 wrote: I refuse to be treated like a criminal. Fortunately, my position gives me a great deal of discretion, so in those instances where flying is an option I choose to drive instead, and so far, I haven't been put in a position where flying is a necessity. Now, you should find this highly ironic: my oldest son finally got a full time position and he is going to be a TSA agent. He's a smart kid (has been tutoring math part time), personable (unlike me), married, and this is his first full time job offer in the 3 years since he completed college, so it's the first real opportunity he's had.

Yea, we definitely gave up a ton of personal freedom in exchange for an appearance of safety. Of course, the "safety" per dollar spent makes no sense.
I'm with you, I really don't like what goes on there - mainly the stupidity, arbitrary rules that have zero safety difference, and tax dollar spend. Never mind the fact that if you want an aircraft, you can simply walk onto one of the thousands of general aviation airports and end up in something quite capable.

Congrats on your son getting a job. Hopefully, he'll really shine and get moved up to something appropriate quickly. Or this job will lead to something else...

The idea is for it to lead to something else. After a year he gets priority consideration for other Federal positions, and apparently, many who start with TSA transfer into Customs, Treasure, Border Patrol, etc.

I saw TSA as a gateway myself, and took the ICE test passing with a super high grade according to the person that interviewed me. No age limitation was a good thing, but I was warned that I was going to have to pass a physical, which was not that bad and if passed was pretty much a sure thing for hiring. The week I got called for the physical I tore my shoulder on the job, lifting a very overweight bag, goodbye ICE job.

I did feel somewhat misused when people talked about TSA hiring "the dregs" and "wannabes" and such as well as being accused of violating rights (we did not). I am a retired telecomm engineer with pretty high standing (at the time) in the telecomm industry and laid off when the industry imploded, and I was surrounded by others in similar circumstances

Well, the media has made it sound like it's pretty easy to get in, but it wasn't quite so easy as people might think. The biggest issue for him is that most of the starting positions are part time. He was fortunate to find a full time position at a small airport in a pro-gun state.

We have all heard or seen (YouTube) TSA horror stories. I'd like to think that there are good TSA agents out there as well. Someone like your son can make a difference, at least in his sphere of influence. Congrats to him and best of luck!

gljjt wrote:We have all heard or seen (YouTube) TSA horror stories. I'd like to think that there are good TSA agents out there as well. Someone like your son can make a difference, at least in his sphere of influence. Congrats to him and best of luck!

There used to be lots of us - the majority of the screeners that I knew were pro-gun and more than a few of us were CHL holders. One time a couple of us were gathered in the parking lot looking over one's newly purchased Beretta and one of the supervisors happened to walk by. He joined the discussion and then went on his way (it was go home time for our shift) without saying anything negative. The following week a new directive came down that possession of firearms by uniformed personnel, even off the job, was strictly against the rules. The next week that was modified to state "while in uniform" and in the parking lot, and a couple of other things. The following month that whole thing was rescinded but with references to the US Code. Enough of us reported to airports where there was no "TSA Parking" or gated parking, or even employee parking that the rules as promulgated were unenforceable and even pure nonsense. TSA eventually gave up trying to make a rule that fit all of our circumstances and just went back to possession being illegal on Federal property, not that one didn't try to tell us that where we parked was Federal property because TSA subsidized our parking fees.

And then there was the time when "Joe Screener" was showing his newly acquired, laser sighted, EBR to someone else and activated the laser across the runway to show how far it shined. There are idiots in the world everywhere, I departed posthaste, but it being late after the last flight it's possible that nobody noticed.

Some of the most fun we, the pro gun types, had was playing "Guess the gun" when we saw one come though the x-ray machine. I am proud to say my success rate was among the highest at DAL. DAL rules made passengers with guns in their checked bag go wait by the window to the "CTX room" so they could unlock their bags if we needed to open them. Nobody, us in particular, wanted bags with guns in them to have been forced open and then put on the plane. Quite often, if it wasn't busy, you would see the bag go through and then there would be a couple of screeners up at the window asking if they got the gun right and chatting with the passenger about guns.

re: Google and gun sales
I stand corrected, apparently:
https://support.google.com/adwordspolic ... 4299?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seburiel wrote:re: Google and gun sales
I stand corrected, apparently:
https://support.google.com/adwordspolic ... 4299?hl=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a difference between ads placed by advertisers and general search results using such terms. They are limiting what can be advertised.

If they don't want their system used to advertise certain things so be it. When they start censoring search results, I'll get upset. Besides, I'm starting to use alternative search engines more.