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I can understand yer point, but If you're comfortable with both...
you get my point?
I mean, if you can field strip that hombre blindfolded and all that...

I own one of each. Something you may want to consider in your desicion:

If something really bad goes down, and your hearts beating 1,000 times a minute with the adrenaline flowing and the hands shaking and a split second to react, will you remember to disengage the safety on the 1911???

In all honesty I probably would not. Here's why...

I think the answer to the question above is all in the training. If you train with your 1911, including draws and dry fire, then you can probably answer that question without hesitation. Me? I carry revolvers for a reason. I want to pull the firearm and pull the trigger...period. That's why my preference (with my current skill level) would be the Beretta. My answer may be different if I train and practice with a 1911 however, the extra step of thumbing off the safety would no doubt become natural.

The 1911 is a true classic, I'll give it that. But the Beretta is sure a fine shooting pistol in my opinion.

JLaw

The thumb safety on a 1911 is so instinctive that it should never be a problem for someone who has even minimal training. The safety goes off the instant the gun comes up on target. At that point, there's only device to operate, and that's the trigger.

JLaw wrote:I own one of each. Something you may want to consider in your desicion:

If something really bad goes down, and your hearts beating 1,000 times a minute with the adrenaline flowing and the hands shaking and a split second to react, will you remember to disengage the safety on the 1911???

In all honesty I probably would not. Here's why...

I think the answer to the question above is all in the training. If you train with your 1911, including draws and dry fire, then you can probably answer that question without hesitation. Me? I carry revolvers for a reason. I want to pull the firearm and pull the trigger...period. That's why my preference (with my current skill level) would be the Beretta. My answer may be different if I train and practice with a 1911 however, the extra step of thumbing off the safety would no doubt become natural.

The 1911 is a true classic, I'll give it that. But the Beretta is sure a fine shooting pistol in my opinion.

JLaw

A person who carries a Beretta and does not, as a matter or routine and normalcy, flip up the thumb safety as they draw to fire is courting disaster.

Carrying with the safety off is no guarantee that it won't get engaged holstering it, moving against something etc. IMO, one should practice having that thumb stroke up.

txinvestigator wrote:A person who carries a Beretta and does not, as a matter or routine and normalcy, flip up the thumb safety as they draw to fire is courting disaster.

Carrying with the safety off is no guarantee that it won't get engaged holstering it, moving against something etc. IMO, one should practice having that thumb stroke up.

A valid point.

I'd assume this is good advice for anyone carrying any firearm if that pistol has a thumb safety that does not automatically return to the fire position automatically after de-cocking the pistol.

JLaw

deadeyearcher wrote:I want to demote my p32 to BUG but I can't decide between a single stack para ordinance 1911 or the 92fs. I am also open to suggestions. I would like stainless though.

If I had to choose between one or the other, I would select the 1911, with 10 round spare magazines.

My limited experience with a 1911 has been . . . WOW. For pure marksmanship, the 1911 can be an excellent gun, and I can see that its reputation is very well deserved.

Aside from a couple individuals here who like the Beretta, I have heard nothing but terrible things about it. Jeff Cooper (RIP) himself disparaged the Beretta in no uncertain terms when it was introduced into service in the 80's. Normally I consider myself pretty open-minded and pragmatic when it comes to gun doctrine, but as far as I am concerned, The Colonel has spoken, and I feel no pull toward the 92fs, its .40 cousin or its 21st century refresh (PX4?).

For concealed carry, I believe in reliability, a decent (not necessarily match-grade) trigger, caveman-simple manual of arms, easy maintenance and high capacity. In my opinion, the single-stack 1911 does not meet the capacity and maintenance spec, and the Beretta falls short on the trigger and manual of arms.

JLaw wrote:If something really bad goes down, and your hearts beating 1,000 times a minute with the adrenaline flowing and the hands shaking and a split second to react, will you remember to disengage the safety on the 1911???

Well, since I learned to shoot with my thumb riding on the safety, I wouldn't forget it for long. That's why my hi-cap carry is a Taurus PT-99 with the safety that goes the right way. The "shoot stuff" part of the manual of arms is nearly identical to the 1911; press down with the thumb, and pull the trigger. The only difference is pulling the trigger harder the first time.

The Marshal wrote:Don't Do It!

The 1911 path is a dark and twisted road, filled with men bent on having "just one more" 1911 pistol. Of those that travel this road, most never come back (to other pistols)


~Bill

I love it here. Who would want to go back.
How you doin Bill?

JLaw asked:
If something really bad goes down, and your hearts beating 1,000 times a minute with the adrenaline flowing and the hands shaking and a split second to react, will you remember to disengage the safety on the 1911???

Yes sir. When it clears the safety goes down. Forgot a few times on my rifle but never on Springer Or Kay.

A couple more questions, could I shoot the 92fs competitively and could I get a 22 conversion for the 1911?

deadeyearcher wrote:A couple more questions, could I shoot the 92fs competitively and could I get a 22 conversion for the 1911?

The answer to both questions is - - - Yes.

HighVelocity wrote:They're both good guns. I however recently sold my pristine all stainless 92fs inox and bought yet another 1911.
I just shoot them better.

The notion of you shooting anything poorly is ironic to me.

gigag04 wrote:

HighVelocity wrote:They're both good guns. I however recently sold my pristine all stainless 92fs inox and bought yet another 1911.
I just shoot them better.

The notion of you shooting anything poorly is ironic to me.

You Sir, are too kind. Thank you!

As someone who has shot both the berreta (duty weapon) and a 1911 (personal weapon), I like the 1911. I never did like the berreta but that is because I could never get it to "feel good" in my hands. I maintained an expert marksmanship qualification for the berreta for years and worked on many specialized teams that required me to be very accurate at all times and could do it but it just didn't feel "comfortable".

As far as the ensuring you can manipulate the safeties for each prior to shooting, you will need to practice. I have not had any problem with either.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

For me it would be the 1911 hands down. The Berettas are nice weapons but they feel like a brick in my hands, and I have big hands.

Also, since you are looking at the Para pistols I would recommend the LDA trigger.