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Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:58 pm
by carlson1
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:02 pm
by nightmare
If nothing else, this discussion proves how stupid the NFA and its supporters are.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:07 pm
by Tank
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0qyloA ... li=1&hl=en

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Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:15 pm
by C-dub
Tank wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0qyloA ... li=1&hl=en

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Thanks for the link Tank.

And welcome to the forum. Been lurking/reading a while?

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:42 pm
by DaveT
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.
Carlson, the 3 page document that Tank posted the link to is exactly what I have.

I did not read it in detail like Tank did and has previously posted about. All I was interested in, and what I posted about, was the specific question and answer about the Magpul vertical foregrip, which is Question number 7 on page 3.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:38 pm
by Vol Texan
DaveT wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.
Carlson, the 3 page document that Tank posted the link to is exactly what I have.

I did not read it in detail like Tank did and has previously posted about. All I was interested in, and what I posted about, was the specific question and answer about the Magpul vertical foregrip, which is Question number 7 on page 3.
But question 7 on page 3 is not about a vertical foregrip. It's about an angled foregrip.
Q #7: Can I lawfully install a Magpul AFG [Angled Fore-Grip] on the bottom accessory rail of the subject AR-15 type pistol?
A: Yes.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:23 am
by Tank
C-dub wrote:
Tank wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0qyloA ... li=1&hl=en

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Thanks for the link Tank.

And welcome to the forum. Been lurking/reading a while?
I actually found this forum about a month ago when I was looking into getting my CHL. Got my status change! So should have it in the mail next week.

I frequent the AR forums ( ar15.com/M4carbine) quite a bit and I decided to comment on the vertical fore grip because this is a very common thought that a lot of people have when it comes to an AR pistol.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:19 pm
by C-dub
Tank wrote:
C-dub wrote:
Tank wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:The forearm is totally legal, I also have a copy of the explanation from ATF to that effect. I can post it here if you need it.

The addition of a vertical foregrip is not legal and would change the weapon's designation from an AR pistol to a short barreled rifle.
If you can post it that would be great.

It appears everyone has their on ideal. I guess you need to carry a copy of a letter everywhere you go.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0qyloA ... li=1&hl=en

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Thanks for the link Tank.

And welcome to the forum. Been lurking/reading a while?
I actually found this forum about a month ago when I was looking into getting my CHL. Got my status change! So should have it in the mail next week.

I frequent the AR forums ( ar15.com/M4carbine) quite a bit and I decided to comment on the vertical fore grip because this is a very common thought that a lot of people have when it comes to an AR pistol.
I lurk around over there a bit, but haven't logged on to ask any questions yet. Seems like someone else has already asked what I'm curious about most of the time, so I can just read those threads for the answers.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:19 am
by DaveT
My thanks to Brooks Colson at Heart of Texas Guns here in Abilene, Tx for posting this on FB last night:

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Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:27 pm
by carlson1
According the chart above the angled foregrip on a pistol is legal or am I missing something? According to question 7 on page 3 the angled foregrip is also legal.

This must be the most misunderstood question when it comes to AR Pistols.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:42 pm
by LAYGO
carlson1 wrote:According the chart above the angled foregrip on a pistol is legal or am I missing something? According to question 7 on page 3 the angled foregrip is also legal.

This must be the most misunderstood question when it comes to AR Pistols.
I think the chart & #7 say the same thing: AFG on a pistol is legal.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:17 pm
by carlson1
LAYGO wrote:
carlson1 wrote:According the chart above the angled foregrip on a pistol is legal or am I missing something? According to question 7 on page 3 the angled foregrip is also legal.

This must be the most misunderstood question when it comes to AR Pistols.
I think the chart & #7 say the same thing: AFG on a pistol is legal.
That is how I see it too.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:43 pm
by DaveT
To save some the bother of feeling like they need to correct me,
I'm not saying anything else on the subject.

Cheers ! :cheers2:

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:46 pm
by carlson1
DaveT wrote:To save some the bother of feeling like they need to correct me,
I'm not saying anything else on the subject.

Cheers ! :cheers2:
I am not correcting you. I think you are right. I especially like the visual of the chart, but the ATF letter backs up the chart.

Re: AR Pistol

Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:24 am
by DaveT
carlson1 wrote:
DaveT wrote:To save some the bother of feeling like they need to correct me,
I'm not saying anything else on the subject.

Cheers ! :cheers2:
I am not correcting you. I think you are right. I especially like the visual of the chart, but the ATF letter backs up the chart.
Old friend, rest assured that my comment was NOT directed at you !