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Was reading a completely unrelated novel the other day and this resonated with me...

"Some people misunderstand evil and believe it will relent, and because their misplaced hope inspires dark hearts to dream darker dreams, they are the fathers and mothers of all wars. Evil does not relent; it must be defeated. And even when defeated, uprooted, and purified by fire, evil leaves behind a seed that will one day germinate and, in blooming, again be misunderstood."

What's sad is listening to leaders in our country contribute to the misunderstanding of this current evil.

jmra wrote:

psijac wrote:It's propaganda. They have accused U.S. forces of harvesting organs during the Iraq Invasion

Link?

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Sorry they accused Israel not US

psijac wrote:

jmra wrote:

psijac wrote:It's propaganda. They have accused U.S. forces of harvesting organs during the Iraq Invasion

Link?

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Sorry they accused Israel not US

Thanks. Saw the Isreal thing. Not much they haven't accussed Isreal of. I bet they think Jews put themselves in the gas chambers to make the Nazis look bad.

The Global herd needs thinning. When dictators who ruled with an iron fist are removed from otherwise "peaceful countries" having a population that coexists precariously, this is what happens. Infrastructure crumbles. Resources dwindle. Rule of Law disappears. Human animals start grouping for survival. Groups start invading other groups for resources. State boundaries become non existent. Humanity disappears quickly. These groups have always had a "cause" throughout history that united them for their gathering of resources. Civilized Societies are just one incident away from total chaos. Ferguson Missouri was a very miniscule example of the actions human animals are capable of. If one thinks these ISIS atrocities are contained in "other" countries and happen only to "other" humans, one might be very surprised in the future.

Unarmed people living in unarmed Societies are easy targets. Remove the resources from "immoral humans" and chaos will always reign. I'm sure some humans will quietly starve to death in their homes. Most will not. Add in a "Book of Rules" from some long dead entity and chaos is guaranteed.

Our founders had a good idea. Avoid the quarrels of Europe and make friends. I guess since this isn't going to work we can nuke everybody to stop the chaos. Probably have to wait until we get a new CINC to do anything at all.

Yeah I'm crazy. I need more ammo...

Oldgringo wrote:

carlson1 wrote:They are barbaric and need to be killed where they stand. Those who had behind they are a "peaceful religion" are sacopathic at best.

Man, woman and child

Wait did you just support genocide? I'm sure thats not what you meant but the post reads wrong.

To the topic, all I know is every time the US has gotten near the ME, North Africa, or the Stans things have gotten worse, every time.
Even a hard headed person like me only needs to be hit in the head so long before they get the point. The only time anything worked out was the bombing raid on Libya and Reagan's "divide and supply both sides" Iran/Iraq strategy.

Here's a list of failures.
Iran (shah)
Beirut
Iraq I
Somalia
Kosova
Iraq II
Afghanistan
Libya
Syria policy
Egypt (thankfully the military appears to have retaken matters).

ISIL is supported by Turkey. It was supported by SA, UAE, and Qatar but it got away from them. Now its being opposed by Iran.
Its a sunni/shiite war. This has been going on for centuries, even under the Ottomans who would have to occasionally put down similar uprisings.

Stay out. Secure our borders.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

carlson1 wrote:They are barbaric and need to be killed where they stand. Those who had behind they are a "peaceful religion" are sacopathic at best.

Man, woman and child

Wait did you just support genocide?

Oh no! Let's just kill the bad adults and the kids will grow up to be good muslims with government jobs, right?

Oldgringo wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

carlson1 wrote:They are barbaric and need to be killed where they stand. Those who had behind they are a "peaceful religion" are sacopathic at best.

Man, woman and child

Wait did you just support genocide?

Oh no! Let's just kill the bad adults and the kids will grow up to be good muslims with government jobs, right?

Wait, you want to kill women and children? In the US we call that a warcrime.
So again, you're not saying that right?

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

carlson1 wrote:They are barbaric and need to be killed where they stand. Those who had behind they are a "peaceful religion" are sacopathic at best.

Man, woman and child

Wait did you just support genocide?

Oh no! Let's just kill the bad adults and the kids will grow up to be good muslims with government jobs, right?

Wait, you want to kill women and children? In the US we call that a warcrime.
So again, you're not saying that right?

Let's try this, "We play by their rules, an eye for an eye with no age nor gender bias ala Hiroshima and Nagasaki".

Now then, , it's all yours.

So you want to kill women and children? Wow.

Maybe we should limit the discussion to non-warcrime options.

Its a sunni/shiite war.

It may have started as that. It is no longer limited to a fight between the shiites and sunnis. We "infidels" are in their cross hairs as well. Google "Islamic terrorism on American soil". They are going after Christians, Jews and anyone else that doesn't believe as they do.

We can't stop them from killing each other over there. That will never end. We must stop them from killing Christians, Jews and others that are not part of the Muslim infighting. The problem is they want to convert everyone to Islam by coercion and threat.

It's going to become more prevalent in our towns and cities. We need to be prepared to defend ourselves and our families. However, I'd rather kill them over there than in my neighborhood.

As far as throwing out the term " war crimes " . We are not fighting a tradition war against a uniformed military. Their barbaric fighters are intermingled in and amongst their civilian non combatants. As long as they are willing to put their people at risk by using them as shields and cover, that is their choice. We can't allow them to continue to operate and kill us just because they are surrounding themselves with their families and fellow believers. It is their choice and chosen strategy.

Bottom line, is rather we kill them over there so we won't have to kill them over here.

mojo84 wrote:

Its a sunni/shiite war.

It may have started as that. It is no longer limited to a fight between the shiites and sunnis. We "infidels" are in their cross hairs as well. Google "Islamic terrorism on American soil". They are going after Christians, Jews and anyone else that doesn't believe as they do.

We can't stop them from killing each other over their. That will never end. We must stop them from killing Christians, Jews and others that are not part of the Muslim infighting. The problem is they want to convert everyone to Islam by coercion and threat.

It's going to become more prevalent in our towns and cities. We need to be prepared to defend ourselves and our families. However, I'd rather kill them over there than in my neighborhood.

As far as throwing out the term " war crimes " . We are not fighting a tradition war against a uniformed military. Their fighters are intermingled in and amongst their civilian noon combatants. As long as they are willing to put their people at risk by using them as shields and cover, that is their choice. We can't allow them to continue to operate and kill us just because they are surrounding themselves with their families and fellow believers. It is their choice and chosen strategy.

We don't have to "must stop" anything not related to US citizens.
Killing them over there won't stop them from crossing the border. you have to stop them from crossing the border.
Also they are in the general population as occupiers. Its not family and fellow believers its around.

Frankly:
*The Assad regime could pound them if desired. Syria is hitting the other rebel groups to offer their population a choice -the crazies or us. Once those groups are gone then they will turn ISIL (and the region) into jelly.
*The Egyptians could take over Libya as fast as their tanks traveled.

Not our fight.

I agree, much of it is not our fight. However, there is no way we can just isolate ourselves and think we will be immune from attack.

Why are the people not turning against the "occupiers"? How long did Osama Bin Laden hide in plain sight for so long?

Did the 9/11 hijackers swim across the Rio Grande? You are over simplifying it.

By the way, collateral damage is part of war. It's not a " war crime".

mojo84 wrote:I agree, much of it is not our fight. However, there is no way we can just isolate ourselves and think we will be immune from attack.

Sure we can.

Why are the people not turning against the "occupiers"?

Because they would be exterminated. Thats the point of all the terror.

How long did Osama Bin Laden hide in plain sight for so long?

Irrelevant to ISIL, that we picked the wrong friends.

Did the 9/11 hijackers swim across the Rio Grande? You are over simplifying it.

Nope they came by plane, which is even easier to stop. Thanks for supporting my argument.

By the way, collateral damage is part of war. It's not a " war crime".

it is if you advocating eliminating all their supporters. Do they wear a Friend of ISIL badge? You're effectively talking a Wehrmacht style strategy and a bunch of them were hung at the end of the war.

The president is pretty much implementing your strategy. We see the results.

I'm done with this as I'm tired of the insinuations you are making. They are offensive and flat out wrong.

OK folks, keep this dicussion civil or I will lock this topic.