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Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:16 pm
by jayinsat
mojo84 wrote:
jayinsat wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?
Never seen that in any form at the United Methodist church I'm affiliated with. :headscratch I assure you, there are multiple guns there every week.
Not my denomination so I don't have a dog in the fight. However, I this a while back.

http://www.ngumc.org/newsdetail/96266" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I saw that while searching the topic. It was the only reference I could find. When searching both my conference and local church's websites, there is absolutely no mention of any gun policy. I know they don't make any of us pastors sign any kind of statement so it's a non-issue at least in Texas. :txflag:

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:18 pm
by mojo84
jayinsat wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
jayinsat wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?
Never seen that in any form at the United Methodist church I'm affiliated with. :headscratch I assure you, there are multiple guns there every week.
Not my denomination so I don't have a dog in the fight. However, I this a while back.

http://www.ngumc.org/newsdetail/96266" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I saw that while searching the topic. It was the only reference I could find. When searching both my conference and local church's websites, there is absolutely no mention of any gun policy. I know they don't make any of us pastors sign any kind of statement so it's a non-issue at least in Texas. :txflag:
Awesome. Sounds like an ant pile that doesn't need kicking.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:23 pm
by K5GU
First of all, I'm pretty sure the campus carry bills exempt private schools, so I'm not sure why media reporters are concerned with them.

Secondly, the media and probably lots of average citizens gloss over (or are ignorant of) the fact that many college students and staff are already CHL holders and are carrying in public and in their cars on campus now.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:41 pm
by Oldgringo
mojo84 wrote:
jayinsat wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
jayinsat wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:The word Wesleyan connotes ties to a Methodist denomination. The official stance of the United Methodist Church: "Therefore, every United Methodist church is officially declared a weapon-free zone." Maybe the Methodists feel that way about their affiliated schools as well?
Never seen that in any form at the United Methodist church I'm affiliated with. :headscratch I assure you, there are multiple guns there every week.
Not my denomination so I don't have a dog in the fight. However, I this a while back.

http://www.ngumc.org/newsdetail/96266" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I saw that while searching the topic. It was the only reference I could find. When searching both my conference and local church's websites, there is absolutely no mention of any gun policy. I know they don't make any of us pastors sign any kind of statement so it's a non-issue at least in Texas. :txflag:
Awesome. Sounds like an ant pile that doesn't need kicking.
Absolutely correct.....IMO.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:44 pm
by VoiceofReason
http://concealedcampus.org/common-arguments/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Counting Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA), which allowed campus carry from 1995 to 2012, that’s more than 150 U.S. college campuses allowing concealed carry for a combined total of almost 1,500 semesters (spring/fall) over the past twenty years. Not one of these campuses has seen a single resulting act of violence (including threats) or a single resulting suicide attempt.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:24 pm
by OldCurlyWolf
omegaman wrote:WOW gward. You drank the kool-aid to the last drop, didn't you.
Apparently you didn't read the last few lines of his post. That is what I initially thought, until I read those last lines. :evil2:

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:24 am
by mojo84
AndyC wrote:
A very useful site I'd forgotten existed - thank you, bookmarked :tiphat:

I sure wish some open carry advocates would take some tactical and decorum cues from those "kids". They handle themselves pretty well.

Re: College Campuses Should Not Have Guns

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:34 pm
by Strat9mm
gward wrote:
..."Trigger-friendly Texans are currently promoting two bills that could change our way of life."...

One, House Bill 937, would permit concealed handgun license holders to bring their firearms onto any public college or university campus in Texas. As of this writing, the bill is being considered by a House committee, according to a March 17 article in The Texas Tribune.
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I believe this is a good idea because people can actually have protection for themselves. But at the same time, people will abuse the law, which could result in an increase in injuries and deaths on college campuses.
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For example, Wesleyan students planning to transfer to public universities could be soon faced with the prospect of being on campus where people carry guns.
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The way I see it, two things could happen if the bill becomes law:

One: crime and violence increase on college campuses. Two: campuses become safer, which is highly unlikely.

I understand the law would affirm our constitutional rights, but this is just plain dangerous. Students could improperly store guns. Or they could accidentally misfire. Also, faculty and staff are not trained on how to protect students in gunfights.

And just how much is this going to cost? The Houston Chronicle reported on March 16 that implementing campus carry could cost the UT system more than $39 million over six years.

That money needs to be spent on education, not firearms. College is a place to learn and grow. We’re supposed to find ourselves here. That’s why our professors encourage different points of view.

But what happens when one student gets mad and takes it too far? What if they pulled out their gun and an educational debate ends up being a tragedy? Or what happens when a student gets mad about their grade? Or gets mad at another student?
The people who obtain concealed handgun licenses are not the people going out and shooting others.

Have 'injuries or death' really increased in States which have concealed carry laws?

It's CRIMINALS who are the problem, not law-abiding citizens who legally carry.

New York City and Chicago, which have extremely restrictive weapons laws, have seen their crime rates soar. But no one wants to speak of the minority gang members who are committing the vast majority of these weapons related crimes.

Chicago has even been caught misrepresenting weapons-related injuries and deaths to make their city SEEM safer.

I doubt if ANY of those GANG and DRUG-RELATED CRIMINAL shootings in NYC and Chicago involve anyone who LEGALLY carries a weapon.

If you want to stop weapons violence, STOP THE CRIMINALS.

CRIMINALS will ALWAYS BE ABLE TO OBTAIN WEAPONS ILLEGALLY. Perhaps it's because, they are CRIMINALS?

Disarming the law-abiding population who have THE RIGHT to bear arms, only makes them VULNERABLE to CRIMINALS who STEAL, RAPE and MURDER.

Taking the weapons away from CITIZENS does NOT DISARM THE CRIMINALS.

Taking away weapons from CITIZENS actually HELPS CRIMINALS.

What kind of abysmal ignorance and naivete does it take for someone to spout the anti-gun stupidity and DECEITFUL LIES as quoted by the original poser?

Or is it really abysmal naivete and stupidity?

What the original poser wrote is more like genuine FEAR-MONGERING.

Perhaps there should be a new talking point shoved in the face of anyone deceitful or stupid enough to make bold-faced deceitful fear-mongering lies like these that come from the anti-gun crowd.

Perhaps it is the INTENT of the original poser and ALL THOSE LIKE HIM, to DELIBERATELY DISARM Americans so as to make them MORE VULNERABLE to theft, RAPE and MURDER.

If those CHRISTIAN STUDENTS in Kenya had been PROPERLY TRAINED and legally carrying concealed weapons, does anyone really think 146 STUDENTS and the 2 security guards who were shot FIRST, would have been killed by just FOUR terrorists?

The terrorists would have instead chosen a 'gun free' college to commit their ATROCITIES and MURDERS.

So much for 'gun free' zones. They might as well be called 'murder, rape and steal from us first' zones. Really!

Again, is it the INTENT of the original poser and ALL THOSE LIKE HIM, to DELIBERATELY DISARM Americans, including COLLEGE STUDENTS, so as to make them MORE VULNERABLE to theft, RAPE and MURDER?

Of course it is, otherwise they would never make such deceitful, lying, fear-mongering and illogical arguments for gun control which fly directly in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

CRIMINALS, LIKE THE WOLVES THEY ARE, attack the WEAK.

Those who promote fear-mongering deceitful lies which SUPPORT and DEFEND -CRIMINALS-, are ALSO WOLVES.

People SHOULD push back, not get bent over.

It's your choice.