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E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

Right2Carry wrote:

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

I agree for protected classes. Otherwise, why?

gljjt wrote:They don't care about guns. They care about selling hamburgers. I think they believe that OC will negatively impact business and that is probably true. Their carefully worded statement tells the world we don't want guns to impact our business so if you conceal carry we won't know or care. I completely understand what they are doing.

I think we'll see more of the same. OC gets asked to leave, CC is fine.

VMI77 wrote:The first statement under "response" is a lie.

Because anyone who doesn't let someone do anything, anywhere, at any time must be anti.

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

And I don't believe any action that a private establishment enacts can infringe on 2A rights by definition.

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

I dont appreciate your condescension, & your assumptions are baseless in regards to what I understand.

I don't see a problem. Telling people they can not walk in with AR15s infringes on peoples second amendment rights about as much as telling people they can not shout profanities or racial slurs infringes on the first amendment. It doesn't. Their property, their rules.

Unless a 30.06 sign is posted, I will not be affected. No one other than my wife and son will know that I am carrying because my firearm will remain concealed unless of course someone puts my family and/or I in danger of bodily harm.

Right2Carry wrote:

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

This is consistent with the laws for handicapped access & parking. There is a difference between private property and private property intended for public access.

It's ironic to see a small drive in store with 4 parking spaces having to give up 25% of it's parking for the occasional handicapped customer & a big box (Walmart, Lowes) only having to reserve less than 5%.

Jim Beaux wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

This is consistent with the laws for handicapped access & parking. There is a difference between private property and private property intended for public access.

It's ironic to see a small drive in store with 4 parking spaces having to give up 25% of it's parking for the occasional handicapped customer & a big box (Walmart, Lowes) only having to reserve less than 5%.

The handicapped fall into a protected class.

canvasbck wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

I'm sorry, but they are not infringing on my 2A rights. An individual's rights only extend as far as those rights infringing on another's rights. I have the right to keep and bear arms, but not on private property when the owner of said property prohibits firearms on their property.

Before the strawman arguments come out, I also believe that a private business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

They're a business open to the public so they don't have the same legal rights as private property owners who don't open their property to the public. If they did, Christian bakers wouldn't have to bake cakes for homosexual weddings.

VMI77 wrote:

canvasbck wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

I'm sorry, but they are not infringing on my 2A rights. An individual's rights only extend as far as those rights infringing on another's rights. I have the right to keep and bear arms, but not on private property when the owner of said property prohibits firearms on their property.

Before the strawman arguments come out, I also believe that a private business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

They're a business open to the public so they don't have the same legal rights as private property owners who don't open their property to the public. If they did, Christian bakers wouldn't have to bake cakes for homosexual weddings.

Another incorrect ruling by our judicial system.

mojo84 wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

This is consistent with the laws for handicapped access & parking. There is a difference between private property and private property intended for public access.

It's ironic to see a small drive in store with 4 parking spaces having to give up 25% of it's parking for the occasional handicapped customer & a big box (Walmart, Lowes) only having to reserve less than 5%.

The handicapped fall into a protected class.

And therein lies the rub....with actual private property rights there wouldn't be any protected classes. If you ran a business that didn't provide access to the handicapped you'd just be out whatever business that caused you to miss. We live in a country with limited property rights so the issue isn't really property rights. That battle has already been lost and the government can tell property owners what they can and cannot do with their property. Now it's just a matter of what the limits are.

The protected classes seem to be ever expanding and private property rights disappearing little by little.

EEllis wrote:

VMI77 wrote:The first statement under "response" is a lie.

Because anyone who doesn't let someone do anything, anywhere, at any time must be anti.

That sounds like the kind of Diva replies one reads on HuffPo or the DailyKOS when anyone fails to appreciate their collectivist impulses or challenges their dreams of socialist utopia. I'll help you out....I said the statement is a lie, not that they're anti-gun. In fact, if I had to guess one way or the other I'd guess they're not anti-gun and not pro-gun either. Like others have said, they want to sell hamburgers. They've obviously made the decision that they'll sell more burgers by prohibiting people who have passed a background check and have a license to carry from openly and legally doing so in their restaurant. It's about the money, and that's fine, but catering to the fears of the anti-gun crowd doesn't translate into respecting the 2nd amendment rights of others.

VMI77 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

E.Marquez wrote:

Jim Beaux wrote:I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

This is consistent with the laws for handicapped access & parking. There is a difference between private property and private property intended for public access.

It's ironic to see a small drive in store with 4 parking spaces having to give up 25% of it's parking for the occasional handicapped customer & a big box (Walmart, Lowes) only having to reserve less than 5%.

The handicapped fall into a protected class.

And therein lies the rub....with actual private property rights there wouldn't be any protected classes. If you ran a business that didn't provide access to the handicapped you'd just be out whatever business that caused you to miss. We live in a country with limited property rights so the issue isn't really property rights. That battle has already been lost and the government can tell property owners what they can and cannot do with their property. Now it's just a matter of what the limits are.

So because property rights were wrongfully diminished that makes it ok to diminish them more? That sounds a lot like two wrongs make a right.