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I think I would have called 911 first and given them the license plates. Then ordered the guy to stop. I would if drawn if he continued or came in my direction. If the woman told me to stay out of it, I would if went on my way. Last thing I need is two people attacking me or saying I beat the woman and drew on the guy. I bet the woman would try to turn it on you and take the guys side.

Rule # 2 Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy

You initiated the firearm situation by drawing your weapon, directing it at the male, and demanded that he follow your (civilian) instructions. Your action changed the entire situation, escalating it into a deadly force situation solely by your action.

Some may differ in their opinions. I always remind the family (all of which have their CHL and carry)-- They are not the enforcer of laws nor protector of the public at large. Their use of their firearm is to protect themselves and their family. Otherwise , remove oneself from the situation and remain a good witness.

Piney wrote:Rule # 2 Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy

You initiated the firearm situation by drawing your weapon, directing it at the male, and demanded that he follow your (civilian) instructions. Your action changed the entire situation, escalating it into a deadly force situation solely by your action.

Some may differ in their opinions. I always remind the family (all of which have their CHL and carry)-- They are not the enforcer of laws nor protector of the public at large. Their use of their firearm is to protect themselves and their family. Otherwise , remove oneself from the situation and remain a good witness.

And if it's your wife/mother/sister/daughter being beaten to death should I be a good witness or save her life?

I say a man beating a woman can already be considered a "deadly force" situation. I also believe it's acceptable to threaten deadly force when deadly force is warranted. Threatening deadly force and then choosing not to pull the trigger if the threat subsides is fine.

mojo84 wrote:I say a man beating a woman can already be considered a "deadly force" situation. I also believe it's acceptable to threaten deadly force when deadly force is warranted. Threatening deadly force and then choosing not to pull the trigger if the threat subsides is fine.

but anyone beating any person is considered deadly. Gender does not matter. A punch to the temple can kill a man just as easily as it can kill a woman.

jmra wrote:

Piney wrote:Rule # 2 Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy

You initiated the firearm situation by drawing your weapon, directing it at the male, and demanded that he follow your (civilian) instructions. Your action changed the entire situation, escalating it into a deadly force situation solely by your action.

Some may differ in their opinions. I always remind the family (all of which have their CHL and carry)-- They are not the enforcer of laws nor protector of the public at large. Their use of their firearm is to protect themselves and their family. Otherwise , remove oneself from the situation and remain a good witness.

And if it's your wife/mother/sister/daughter being beaten to death should I be a good witness or save her life?

Not even attempting to stop the guy is almost as bad as beating the woman in my opinion.

I think I stepped in it with my earlier post - I should try and clarify. I was commenting on this quote:

As soon as she made that comment I would have said sorry and told man to carry on.

The OP was attempting to help stop a violent attack. The woman apparently didn't want help, which I understand can be a common response from a battered spouse. Chances are, she got it worse after the incident was over. The creep needs to be stopped. There is nothing funny about that.

Piney wrote:Rule # 2 Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy

You initiated the firearm situation by drawing your weapon, directing it at the male, and demanded that he follow your (civilian) instructions. Your action changed the entire situation, escalating it into a deadly force situation solely by your action.

Some may differ in their opinions. I always remind the family (all of which have their CHL and carry)-- They are not the enforcer of laws nor protector of the public at large. Their use of their firearm is to protect themselves and their family. Otherwise , remove oneself from the situation and remain a good witness.

Civilian instructions? Uh, cops are civilians too. So, unless the location was under martial law the police would also be "civilians."