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I can't wait for the law to take effect. It's going to be the biggest non-event in the history of legislative change.

I'm interested in seeing what happens in January as you all are, but compared to Oklahoma, I think there will be a stink and lots of 30.07 signs. Not so much for open carry pistols but because of the noise created over open carry long weapons. I suspect there is a fear that those people will go on another binge for the sake of publicity, so it will be easier to post a sign and be done with it. we shall see.....

treadlightly wrote:I sure wish average folks could learn that 30.06 and 30.07 signs affect ALMOST NOBODY, only a few who belong to the strongest class of law abiding citizens the state has to offer.

Well said sir

Long article in the Waco Trib today. Very thorough review of the signage requirement without any judgment, just a stating of the law. Some interesting plusses and minuses. The Waco city council has long had a non-compliant gun buster sign for their meetings and they knew it wouldn't stop a CHL, so they have decided to take it down, and not post a 30.06, but they will post a 30.07. Someone also admitted that the Fair event center is posted illegally, as well as the county records building (I'm putting them on report on Tuesday).

The down side, IMHO, is that signage awareness among the public and establishments is greatly increasing, and I think we will see many more 30.06/30.07 signs come January.

I suspect and hope, we don't see that many new signs. However, maybe the ones that do will only focus on posting 30.07 and the net effect will be fewer 30.06 signs.

oohrah wrote:Long article in the Waco Trib today. Very thorough review of the signage requirement without any judgment, just a stating of the law. Some interesting plusses and minuses. The Waco city council has long had a non-compliant gun buster sign for their meetings and they knew it wouldn't stop a CHL, so they have decided to take it down, and not post a 30.06, but they will post a 30.07. Someone also admitted that the Fair event center is posted illegally, as well as the county records building (I'm putting them on report on Tuesday).

The down side, IMHO, is that signage awareness among the public and establishments is greatly increasing, and I think we will see many more 30.06/30.07 signs come January.

Agreed, this was as unbiased an article (from the reporter's perspective) that I've seen in a while. Some of the interviewees showed some of their bias, but the reporter is not to blame for that.

However, the reporter did get some things wrong:

Some gray area remains as to exactly where governmental entities can ban guns. For example, the ban on guns on “school premises” might not extend to the parking lot of a school, said Joy Baskin, director of legal services for the Texas Association of School Boards.

For that reason, TASB advises schools to place their no-gun signs on the school building itself.

But she said parking lots could become gun-free zones when the band is practicing in a parking lot, or even during pick-up and drop-off times.

Pickup and drop-off are not 'school sponsored activities'.

Guns will continue to be prohibited in certain places where the appropriate signs are posted, including:
• School premises, school buses, or anywhere a school activity is taking place.
• Private businesses that state by signage that handguns are prohibited.
• Bars that derive at least 51 percent of their income from alcohol.
• On the premises of a correctional facility, amusement park, racetrack, hospital or place of worship.
• Polling places.
• Government courts or offices used by the courthouse.
• The secured area of an airport.

Not all the items in the list above required signs to be posted.

Yet another report of a chamber of commerce and police chief getting the word out about proper signage and what business owners "need to know about this new law."

http://business.laketravischamber.com/e ... w-law-8720

We don't need to be beating each other up about talking to business owners about their signs. The business community, main stream media, lawyers, law enforcement, and others are already working to ensure their side of the story gets out.

Business owners will make a decision on this issue with out without our input. How can we effectively present our side of the story and influence business owners to not ban concealed and/or open carry?

oljames3 wrote:Yet another report of a chamber of commerce and police chief getting the word out about proper signage and what business owners "need to know about this new law."

http://business.laketravischamber.com/e ... w-law-8720

We don't need to be beating each other up about talking to business owners about their signs. The business community, main stream media, lawyers, law enforcement, and others are already working to ensure their side of the story gets out.

Business owners will make a decision on this issue with out without our input. How can we effectively present our side of the story and influence business owners to not ban concealed and/or open carry?

A lot of business owners aren't interested in the politics or the record of CHL holders. They're interested in one thing - business. We can harp at businesses all day about it, but at the end of the day they're not opposed to OC or (to a lesser extent) CC. They're against losing business when people like CSGV, MDA and the local soccer moms lose their mind when they see a gun. Our struggle isn't with business owners - its with them.

Taypo wrote:

oljames3 wrote:Yet another report of a chamber of commerce and police chief getting the word out about proper signage and what business owners "need to know about this new law."

http://business.laketravischamber.com/e ... w-law-8720

We don't need to be beating each other up about talking to business owners about their signs. The business community, main stream media, lawyers, law enforcement, and others are already working to ensure their side of the story gets out.

Business owners will make a decision on this issue with out without our input. How can we effectively present our side of the story and influence business owners to not ban concealed and/or open carry?

A lot of business owners aren't interested in the politics or the record of CHL holders. They're interested in one thing - business. We can harp at businesses all day about it, but at the end of the day they're not opposed to OC or (to a lesser extent) CC. They're against losing business when people like CSGV, MDA and the local soccer moms lose their mind when they see a gun. Our struggle isn't with business owners - its with them.

Yep. You got that right. And if TV, Radio and Internet reporting would cover fewer 'dead body' reports and more self defense reports and focus on accurate reporting rather than getting it out faster than their competitors.

Taypo wrote:

oljames3 wrote:Yet another report of a chamber of commerce and police chief getting the word out about proper signage and what business owners "need to know about this new law."

http://business.laketravischamber.com/e ... w-law-8720

We don't need to be beating each other up about talking to business owners about their signs. The business community, main stream media, lawyers, law enforcement, and others are already working to ensure their side of the story gets out.

Business owners will make a decision on this issue with out without our input. How can we effectively present our side of the story and influence business owners to not ban concealed and/or open carry?

A lot of business owners aren't interested in the politics or the record of CHL holders. They're interested in one thing - business. We can harp at businesses all day about it, but at the end of the day they're not opposed to OC or (to a lesser extent) CC. They're against losing business when people like CSGV, MDA and the local soccer moms lose their mind when they see a gun. Our struggle isn't with business owners - its with them.

Makes me ponder one point in that we have discussions here about not confronting those with improper signage and also about not doing business with those businesses that post signage (in compliance and the focus is on telling them about the business that they lost), but there seems to be very little if any focus on telling a "good" business that one reason we shop there is because they respect our rights. I mean, I think that it is too late for the most part to have a conversation once a sign is up. Maybe it would be appropriate to let a business know just how many of us give them our business because we can exercise our rights there.

Glockster wrote:
Makes me ponder one point in that we have discussions here about not confronting those with improper signage and also about not doing business with those businesses that post signage (in compliance and the focus is on telling them about the business that they lost), but there seems to be very little if any focus on telling a "good" business that one reason we shop there is because they respect our rights. I mean, I think that it is too late for the most part to have a conversation once a sign is up. Maybe it would be appropriate to let a business know just how many of us give them our business because we can exercise our rights there.

For the most part, it is considered sound, and wise, that no one know that one is carrying, with rare exception.

Bringing this up puts one in the awkward dilemma of admitting, certainly by implication, that one is carrying.

As we become more and more urban, with larger and larger businesses to deal with, who would you tell? The clerk behind the customer service desk at HEB? Some Walmartian stocking the shelves? You never see a manager for the most part these days. Don't do it at Costco!

I work in most of the large commercial buildings downtown. Until now only two were properly posted (one being the Federal Reserve).....talk about being protected. All the other buildings were improperly posted. So, I just ignored the signs unless I had to go thru metal detectors Now thanks to the awareness brought about by the OC crowd, most of the building managers are figuring how to post legally to keep all guns out......thanks guys.

If it's just seeing a posted sign somewhere (HEB, Walmart, Etc.) we don't agree with, we can contact their headquarters. Most of the big stores are following directives from their HQ anyway, so telling a clerk or local store manager you don't like their signs may not accomplish much.
If you carry covertly and don't want people in your local stores to know that you do it for yours and their protection, contact the store's corporate headquarters. I doubt if disclosure to a corporate director in Bentonville, Ark. (Walmart example) would expose you to the local store employees that you are licensed and trained and carry a hidden gun.

If it's the 'reason' why they post the sign (i.e. "..scares my customers", "..dangerous to children", ..etc.), to paraphrase Taypo's comment in a previous post, the root cause may be in the minds of the 'customers', not store management.
Notwithstanding the organized gun haters, the perspective that most "customers" have regarding their fear of seeing a holstered handgun could be turned around if they were educated about how it may save their lives some day.

FYI, speaking of educating people and spreading self defense news, this movement http://www.keepandbeararms.com/about/ is trying to address that. One of things they search are stories published about self defense acts (not just dead body stories-the big networks will cover those). Click on the 'current projects' link on their About page.

FYI, speaking of educating people and spreading self defense news ("rlol" Someone above posted this)


My thoughts are the folks that are making all the deafening noise about guns will stay ahead of us

Two more universities getting the word out:

http://www.utdallas.edu/evites/campus-carry/

http://faculty.utsa.edu/events/faculty- ... pus-carry1
http://www.utsa.edu/campuscarry/