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ELB wrote:

C-dub wrote:I'm happy the father and son are okay and were prepared for that possibility. What shocks me is that neither of them had a mobile phone that they call 911 with immediately.

Going to McD's doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have phones, they may have concluded that it was safer to get out of the kill-..or rob-...zone and call 911 from a safe location. That could be very wise move.

Yeah, I read of an incident in Florida where a pizza delivery driver was ambushed at a housing project. He emptied his mag on the robber who was pointing a gun at him (and if I remember correctly, didn't take is safety off) and it drew a hostile crowd. The guy didn't drop until the last round. He grabbed the attacker's gun so the crowd couldn't take it and claim the robber was unarmed, and headed back to the pizza place where he worked, about a mile away, to call the police.

JP171 wrote:

goose wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: And I've had numerous other interactions with people shot in the chest, with all kinds of calibers. They were hurting and in trouble, but nowhere near dead.

Geee TAM thanks...

Now you have me re-evaluating my choice of defensive carry calibers...



I wonder if this would raise the alarm if I open carried this... Naw I better leave that to OCT

Glad to help.

If this discussion doesn't dissolve into heated tactical debate about the MOA of that rear sight, the internetz failed today.

umm, don't think you need to be quite that accurate with a 40mm grenade

Horseshoe theory

goose wrote:

If this discussion doesn't dissolve into heated tactical debate about the MOA of that rear sight, the internetz failed today.

Missed this earlier.

Just mount a red dot at a 45 degree offset on that thing for CQB use. Problem solved.

goose wrote: If this discussion doesn't dissolve into heated tactical debate about the MOA of that rear sight, the internetz failed today.

As an old artilleryman, I suspect that sight is for high-angle fire. It is an area weapon.

ELB wrote:

goose wrote:

If this discussion doesn't dissolve into heated tactical debate about the MOA of that rear sight, the internetz failed today.

Missed this earlier.

Just mount a red dot at a 45 degree offset on that thing for CQB use. Problem solved.

Dang it. The perfect "3-gun" setup. I should have thought of that!!

baldeagle wrote:Approximately 80% of people shot with a handgun survive. Up to 25% of people shot in the head survive. (Depends on the study you cite.)

In 1977 I was going to school at Texas State in San Marcos ( SWTSU back then), working part time at Sheriff's dept., had a case where two guys got into argument in a bar. One was a BIG guy that was probably 100 lbs. heavier and 6 inches taller. The smaller guy backed off, went out to his car and walked back in with a .45 1911 and walked up behind him... tapped him on the shoulder, and when he turned around, shot him between the eyes at the top of his nose right about the eyebrow line...knocked him flat on his back with blood running out of the bullet hole...the shooter then ran out the door and drove away. About the time the police and paramedics arrived the "dead" guy started moaning and trying to sit up. After they got him to the hospital they found the bullet, traveling at an upward angle, had deflected on the skull and was lodged under the skin toward the back of his head and just made a small incision on top of the lump and removed it. All he had was a concussion. Always wondered what the guy that popped him thought when he found out the guy he shot between the eyes at point blank range just had a headache and was probably going to be looking for him.