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Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:11 am
by Soccerdad1995
Lena wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:43 am
Looking for opinions here:
I got into a discussion with a capt in our agency on this well the concealed part, a zip up pistol case/rug in a vehicle's seat in open view, he said illegal as showing a handgun present I asked him to open it nope no G32 but a Butterfinger bar, no firearm, he was not impressed, well illegal he did say no then yet it was prior...… We returned to our briefing I still had zipper case, just got a strange look and not discussed anymore at all.
So was a zipped up case illegal to you???????
So he thinks that having any case large enough to hold a pistol makes the pistol not concealed? IANAL, but that's not how I read the law. Better not carry a purse around this guy.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:14 am
by flechero
Lena wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:43 am
Looking for opinions here:
I got into a discussion with a capt in our agency on this well the concealed part, a zip up pistol case/rug in a vehicle's seat in open view, he said illegal as showing a handgun present I asked him to open it nope no G32 but a Butterfinger bar, no firearm, he was not impressed, well illegal he did say no then yet it was prior...… We returned to our briefing I still had zipper case, just got a strange look and not discussed anymore at all.
So was a zipped up case illegal to you???????
Nope.
If you use his logic, my entire wardrobe (except for underwear/socks) would be considered illegal as it always conceals a firearm.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:20 am
by Soccerdad1995
flechero wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 10:14 am
Lena wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:43 am
Looking for opinions here:
I got into a discussion with a capt in our agency on this well the concealed part, a zip up pistol case/rug in a vehicle's seat in open view, he said illegal as showing a handgun present I asked him to open it nope no G32 but a Butterfinger bar, no firearm, he was not impressed, well illegal he did say no then yet it was prior...… We returned to our briefing I still had zipper case, just got a strange look and not discussed anymore at all.
So was a zipped up case illegal to you???????
Nope.
If you use his logic, my entire wardrobe (except for underwear/socks) would be considered illegal as it always conceals a firearm.
I think the "logic" is that anything which could possibly conceal a firearm must always be assumed to be carrying a firearm for purposes of applying the law. By that "logic" everyone is always carrying a concealed firearm (unless they are naked), and we should just issue citations to every single person in a 30.06 posted location.
I'm using the word "logic" very loosely here.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:26 am
by bblhd672
Lena wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:43 am
Looking for opinions here:
I got into a discussion with a capt in our agency on this well the concealed part, a zip up pistol case/rug in a vehicle's seat in open view, he said illegal as showing a handgun present I asked him to open it nope no G32 but a Butterfinger bar, no firearm, he was not impressed, well illegal he did say no then yet it was prior...… We returned to our briefing I still had zipper case, just got a strange look and not discussed anymore at all.
So was a zipped up case illegal to you???????
Your captain is an idiot...that's my opinion.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:56 am
by Charles L. Cotton
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pm
How did this bill even get past Bonnen's Democrat committee gatekeepers for a floor vote?
There are more good bills progressing than would have been the case, had people not responded to my article. Bonnen will never admit it, but the pressure was intense!
Thanks to everyone who got involved, your efforts are being rewarded.
Chas.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:30 pm
by K.Mooneyham
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 10:56 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pm
How did this bill even get past Bonnen's Democrat committee gatekeepers for a floor vote?
There are more good bills progressing than would have been the case, had people not responded to my article. Bonnen will never admit it, but the pressure was intense!
Thanks to everyone who got involved, your efforts are being rewarded.
Chas.
Sir, your leadership makes the difference. Thank you.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:54 pm
by polekitty
So this means I can remove my handgun while still in my shoulder or belt holster from my person and place it in plain sight (front seat of the car) right? It sounds like if I remove my handgun from my shoulder or belt holster while sitting in the car and place it in another holster and while doing so it is displayed by another person, I just broke the law, right?
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:58 pm
by The Annoyed Man
polekitty wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 12:54 pm
So this means I can remove my handgun while still in my shoulder or belt holster from my person and place it in plain sight (front seat of the car) right? It sounds like if I remove my handgun from my shoulder or belt holster while sitting in the car and place it in another holster and while doing so it is displayed by another person, I just broke the law, right?
Not yet. Still needs companion bill to pass, and then governor's signature.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:58 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 10:56 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pm
How did this bill even get past Bonnen's Democrat committee gatekeepers for a floor vote?
There are more good bills progressing than would have been the case, had people not responded to my article. Bonnen will never admit it, but the pressure was intense!
Thanks to everyone who got involved, your efforts are being rewarded.
Chas.
That’s good to know. Thanks for all the hard work, Charles.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 1:45 pm
by polekitty
The Annoyed Man wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 12:58 pm
polekitty wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 12:54 pm
So this means I can remove my handgun while still in my shoulder or belt holster from my person and place it in plain sight (front seat of the car) right? It sounds like if I remove my handgun from my shoulder or belt holster while sitting in the car and place it in another holster and while doing so it is displayed by another person, I just broke the law, right?
Not yet. Still needs companion bill to pass, and then governor's signature.
Yes sir, understand that. After the bill becomes law (if it gets that far). That posses another question. The act Takes effect, in September, but it only applies to offenses after January 2020. Don't understand that either.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 1:47 pm
by SQLGeek
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 10:56 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pm
How did this bill even get past Bonnen's Democrat committee gatekeepers for a floor vote?
There are more good bills progressing than would have been the case, had people not responded to my article. Bonnen will never admit it, but the pressure was intense!
Thanks to everyone who got involved, your efforts are being rewarded.
Chas.
I appreciate you continuing to champion gun rights, Charles.
A small gain is still a gain, even if the situation still makes me want to spit.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 2:33 pm
by JustSomeOldGuy
Lena wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:43 am
Looking for opinions here:
I got into a discussion with a capt in our agency on this well the concealed part, a zip up pistol case/rug in a vehicle's seat in open view, he said illegal as showing a handgun present
I asked him to open it nope no G32 but a Butterfinger bar, no firearm, he was not impressed, well illegal he did say no then yet it was prior...… We returned to our briefing I still had zipper case, just got a strange look and not discussed anymore at all.
So was a zipped up case illegal to you???????
Schrodinger's gun case?
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 3:30 pm
by Jusme
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 10:56 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:50 pm
How did this bill even get past Bonnen's Democrat committee gatekeepers for a floor vote?
There are more good bills progressing than would have been the case, had people not responded to my article. Bonnen will never admit it, but the pressure was intense!
Thanks to everyone who got involved, your efforts are being rewarded.
Chas.
That's good to hear, I haven't seen a lot of movement on some of them, and I was not getting much positive feedback from committee members, or even my reps.
Thanks for your help Charles, and for keeping us updated.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:52 pm
by DynamicDan
Lena wrote: Fri May 03, 2019 9:43 am
Looking for opinions here:
I got into a discussion with a capt in our agency on this well the concealed part, a zip up pistol case/rug in a vehicle's seat in open view, he said illegal as showing a handgun present I asked him to open it nope no G32 but a Butterfinger bar, no firearm, he was not impressed, well illegal he did say no then yet it was prior...… We returned to our briefing I still had zipper case, just got a strange look and not discussed anymore at all.
So was a zipped up case illegal to you???????
No. He doesn't know the law.
Re: Texas House backs open display of handguns in cars
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 10:08 am
by Lena
Agreed and very biased to LTC citizens, he is now long gone thankfully