Re: Trump: Banning Suppressors?
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:22 pm
Write him a letter.
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Kettler failed to pay a $200 tax and file ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) paperwork to register the suppressor, which he purchased from a local Army-Navy surplus store. The owner of the store, Shane Cox, was not licensed to manufacture such accessories, and was also found guilty for illegal manufacture and marketing.
Although federal law requires silencers to be registered per the NFA, Kansas state law says that all firearms, accessories and ammo manufactured and possessed inside the state are exempt from federal law.
In the petition, Kettler’s legal team explained that the 10th Circuit found that silencers are considered accessories and therefore not granted Second Amendment protection.
“Under that sweeping logic, Congress could ban all ammunition without violating the Second Amendment. That cannot be correct,” the team argued. “The panel’s sole rationale for holding that silencers were not protected was that silencers were not ‘bearable arms,’ a rationale that would apply equally to ammunition. That improper analysis warrants reversal.”
What do you mean if “we” roll over on this?TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Ordering a solvent trap if they are banned will be just like ordering those Glock auto sears off Wish.com. If you build your own, you won’t be able to use it anywhere on public.
This is not ok.
If we roll over on this, there will be more to come.
The collective “we.”anygunanywhere wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:16 pmWhat do you mean if “we” roll over on this?TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Ordering a solvent trap if they are banned will be just like ordering those Glock auto sears off Wish.com. If you build your own, you won’t be able to use it anywhere on public.
This is not ok.
If we roll over on this, there will be more to come.
I understand. Thank you for clarifying.TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:25 pmThe collective “we.”anygunanywhere wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:16 pmWhat do you mean if “we” roll over on this?TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Ordering a solvent trap if they are banned will be just like ordering those Glock auto sears off Wish.com. If you build your own, you won’t be able to use it anywhere on public.
This is not ok.
If we roll over on this, there will be more to come.
“It’s fine, it won’t affect me, I don’t own any suppressors” - that mentality.
Specifically I want the nations largest gun rights organization to step in somehow and be publicly against this idea.
I’m not trying to be combative or argumentative but this is pretty unnerving.
There’s no "rolling over" for me. If ATF agents show up in overwhelming force like a SWAT team to take my suppressors, I’m going to choose to live to fight another day, and not take them under fire. They can take them and leave in peace. Why? Because having already done so twice, I already know how to manufacture my own. And they work really well, too. If I see a need strong enough to warrant defying the gov’t, I will do so.anygunanywhere wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:16 pmWhat do you mean if “we” roll over on this?TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Ordering a solvent trap if they are banned will be just like ordering those Glock auto sears off Wish.com. If you build your own, you won’t be able to use it anywhere on public.
This is not ok.
If we roll over on this, there will be more to come.
This. Many things he says are meant to confuse the opposition. In this case, he just does not know better. There are a lot of balls in the air, and as much as he should know better, he just does not. I'm sure he's been made aware by now.K.Mooneyham wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:06 am President Trump is a businessman and NOT a knowledgeable guy when it comes to firearms. I believe that he is getting advice from those that are either ignorant on the subject, or are flat out lying to him. I wish those who are knowledgeable and in a position to converse with him would do a better job of educating him on the subject.
Don't expect a public statement, but also don't assume the NRA is doing nothing. Public beating of one's chest is what is done by people and organizations that have no impact. They can't make a difference so they just make noise. As much as I'd like to say more, I cannot.TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Thank you for commenting, it’s appreciated.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:45 pmDon't expect a public statement, but also don't assume the NRA is doing nothing. Public beating of one's chest is what is done by people and organizations that have no impact. They can't make a difference so they just make noise. As much as I'd like to say more, I cannot.TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Chas.
The first ones that will “roll over” are the RINOs in DC, the ones who “support” the Second Amendment. Same as they have been rolling over since since the illegal immigrant in chief took office.The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:03 pmThere’s no "rolling over" for me. If ATF agents show up in overwhelming force like a SWAT team to take my suppressors, I’m going to choose to live to fight another day, and not take them under fire. They can take them and leave in peace. Why? Because having already done so twice, I already know how to manufacture my own. And they work really well, too. If I see a need strong enough to warrant defying the gov’t, I will do so.anygunanywhere wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:16 pmWhat do you mean if “we” roll over on this?TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Ordering a solvent trap if they are banned will be just like ordering those Glock auto sears off Wish.com. If you build your own, you won’t be able to use it anywhere on public.
This is not ok.
If we roll over on this, there will be more to come.
I seriously doubt that confiscating suppressors would be enough trigger to kick off a CW2. There’s only something like 250,000 active suppressor registrations right now, and - just as with firearms - a number of those are cases of one person owning multiple cans. So it’s not a big enough population to motivate an uprising. A lot of the nation's 100+ million gun owners will say that a suppressor ban doesn’t affect them, and they won’t commit to a struggle over something that affects less than 1/4 of 1% of them. It’s going to take something like a national level confiscation of all semiautomatic rifles to trigger a CW2.....and THAT would be the kind of need that would motivate me to manufacture a suppressor in secret. Because at that point, federal law enforcement no longer has any legitimacy. In fact NOTHING about federal gov’t has any legitimacy at that point. When it turns upon the people, it becomes our duty to abolish and replace it.
Charles,Charles L. Cotton wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:45 pmDon't expect a public statement, but also don't assume the NRA is doing nothing. Public beating of one's chest is what is done by people and organizations that have no impact. They can't make a difference so they just make noise. As much as I'd like to say more, I cannot.TexasJohnBoy wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:44 am Seriously, what’s going on with this? Has there been any response by the NRA to this?
Chas.