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Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:13 am
by threoh8
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:27 pm
I don't know. Fort Hood got shot up pretty good before they took him out. You would think a military base would have armed people everywhere.
Military bases are police states, with tight weapons regulations. While most units have weapons, they are almost all tightly controlled and kept in arms rooms except for training and maintenance. Oh, and for parades. Typically, live ammunition is only issued at the range.
The only folks routinely carrying weapons with ammunition are the security types - MP's and the like.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:31 am
by SamBodie
surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:19 pm
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:55 pm
I think they eventually will. Sadly that's what it's going to take to lock the border down.
A border town will have to be turned into a slaughter house to get people's attention.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Columbus_(1916)
Oh my, history would have to repeat itself. Columbus, NM was invaded by Pancho Villa, causing American deaths in 1916.
During this time, General (not yet) Patton killed one or more bad guys with his legendary ivory-gripped revolver(s).
One was an 1873 Peacemaker (.45 LC?) and the other was a more modern Smith and Wesson in .357.
SIA
Patton, or anybody else didn't have the S&W .357 till after it was first made in 1935.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:12 pm
by Paladin
threoh8 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:13 am
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:27 pm
I don't know. Fort Hood got shot up pretty good before they took him out. You would think a military base would have armed people everywhere.
Military bases are police states, with tight weapons regulations. While most units have weapons, they are almost all tightly controlled and kept in arms rooms except for training and maintenance. Oh, and for parades. Typically, live ammunition is only issued at the range.
The only folks routinely carrying weapons with ammunition are the security types - MP's and the like.
Rules with the Texas Guard have changed considerably since Ft. Hood:
Personally Owned Firearms (POF)
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:14 pm
by Paladin
Was interesting to see that the cartel trucks have Texas plates, but they have their massive shootouts in gun free zones (i.e. Mexico)
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:40 pm
by cirus
threoh8 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:13 am
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:27 pm
I don't know. Fort Hood got shot up pretty good before they took him out. You would think a military base would have armed people everywhere.
Military bases are police states, with tight weapons regulations. While most units have weapons, they are almost all tightly controlled and kept in arms rooms except for training and maintenance. Oh, and for parades. Typically, live ammunition is only issued at the range.
The only folks routinely carrying weapons with ammunition are the security types - MP's and the like.
Yep and that's why they are such easy targets.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:02 pm
by K-Texas
surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:19 pm
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:55 pm
I think they eventually will. Sadly that's what it's going to take to lock the border down.
A border town will have to be turned into a slaughter house to get people's attention.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Columbus_(1916)
Oh my, history would have to repeat itself. Columbus, NM was invaded by Pancho Villa, causing American deaths in 1916.
During this time, General (not yet) Patton killed one or more bad guys with his legendary ivory-gripped revolver(s).
One was an 1873 Peacemaker (.45 LC?) and the other was a more modern Smith and Wesson in .357.
SIA
A really significant event in military history. It was Lt. George S. Patton Jr. at the time. Just a few years after his sword design became the US M1913 which is straight for impaling rather than curved for slashing. Patton, accomplished in fencing, part of the menu for the Olympic event he barely missed the bronze medal for. The reason? There were only 5 defined holes in his target while they wouldn't credit him with the 6th not going through the hole created by the other 5. This while he fired a .38 revolver while his competitors were using .22s. Nonetheless, Patton made no fuss about it. The event where Pancho Villa's raiders were pursued by Patton's squad marked the first time the US Army used mechanized troops which ultimately gave way to armored units during WWI and after.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm
by Jago668
K-Texas wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:02 pm
surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:19 pm
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:55 pm
I think they eventually will. Sadly that's what it's going to take to lock the border down.
A border town will have to be turned into a slaughter house to get people's attention.
*******************************************************************************************************************
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Columbus_(1916)
Oh my, history would have to repeat itself. Columbus, NM was invaded by Pancho Villa, causing American deaths in 1916.
During this time, General (not yet) Patton killed one or more bad guys with his legendary ivory-gripped revolver(s).
One was an 1873 Peacemaker (.45 LC?) and the other was a more modern Smith and Wesson in .357.
SIA
A really significant event in military history. It was Lt. George S. Patton Jr. at the time. Just a few years after his sword design became the US M1913 which is straight for impaling rather than curved for slashing. Patton, accomplished in fencing, part of the menu for the Olympic event he barely missed the bronze medal for. The reason? There were only 5 defined holes in his target while they wouldn't credit him with the 6th not going through the hole created by the other 5. This while he fired a .38 revolver while his competitors were using .22s. Nonetheless, Patton made no fuss about it. The event where Pancho Villa's raiders were pursued by Patton's squad marked the first time the US Army used mechanized troops which ultimately gave way to armored units during WWI and after.
So stupid, what was more likely a guy competing at that level making a ragged hole, or him missing the target completely. I want to say I remember something about the event eventually using a scrolling second sheet behind the target so they could verify multiple hits in the same hole. But that could be something my brain made up.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm
by K-Texas
Jago668 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm
K-Texas wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:02 pm
surprise_i'm_armed wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:19 pm
cirus wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:55 pm
I think they eventually will. Sadly that's what it's going to take to lock the border down.
A border town will have to be turned into a slaughter house to get people's attention.
*******************************************************************************************************************
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Columbus_(1916)
Oh my, history would have to repeat itself. Columbus, NM was invaded by Pancho Villa, causing American deaths in 1916.
During this time, General (not yet) Patton killed one or more bad guys with his legendary ivory-gripped revolver(s).
One was an 1873 Peacemaker (.45 LC?) and the other was a more modern Smith and Wesson in .357.
SIA
A really significant event in military history. It was Lt. George S. Patton Jr. at the time. Just a few years after his sword design became the US M1913 which is straight for impaling rather than curved for slashing. Patton, accomplished in fencing, part of the menu for the Olympic event he barely missed the bronze medal for. The reason? There were only 5 defined holes in his target while they wouldn't credit him with the 6th not going through the hole created by the other 5. This while he fired a .38 revolver while his competitors were using .22s. Nonetheless, Patton made no fuss about it. The event where Pancho Villa's raiders were pursued by Patton's squad marked the first time the US Army used mechanized troops which ultimately gave way to armored units during WWI and after.
So stupid, what was more likely a guy competing at that level making a ragged hole, or him missing the target completely. I want to say I remember something about the event eventually using a scrolling second sheet behind the target so they could verify multiple hits in the same hole. But that could be something my brain made up.
Yeah, and if IIRC, it cost Patton a Bronze Medal. I didn't want to name the wrong event, but there were 12 different disciplines involved then so maybe the Pentathlon? Think today it's called Modern Pentathlon. If anyone knows for sure, please feel free to correct me. And if you're a big fan of General Patton's I highly recommend the O'Reilly book:
Killing Patton. It is an eye opener.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:58 pm
by JustSomeOldGuy
Paladin wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:14 pm
Was interesting to see that the cartel trucks have Texas plates, but they have their massive shootouts in gun free zones (i.e. Mexico)
And I'll bet that if you have someone in law enforcement run those plates, they'll all come back as stolen vehicles. The cartels don't pay retail, they just send car thieves north of the border. They can't use those vehicles on trips into the U.S., but they can drive them in Mexico with impunity, which is why they don't even bother to change the plates......
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:44 am
by philip964
https://www.click2houston.com/news/worl ... -unfolded/
How the gun fight unfolded. 22 dead, up to 150 people involved. Kidnapped and killed two firemen. Mounted 50 cal machine guns on armored pick up trucks.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:39 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
Patton, or anybody else didn't have the S&W .357 till after it was first made in 1935.
SamBodie: Thank you for being aware of the 1935 introduction of .357.
I know that by the time WWII ended, one of Patton's revolvers was a .357, so he would have added that to his sidearm collection = or > 1935.
By the way, since Patton was the "tank" general, his revolvers are in the Fort Knox, KY museum, since Fort Knox is the home of US armor.
SIA
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:51 pm
by philip964
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/1 ... killed-22/
150 Zetas gunmen crossed the border into Texas before deadly attack.
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:41 am
by Daddio-on-patio
Paladin wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:14 pm
Was interesting to see that the cartel trucks have Texas plates, but they have their massive shootouts in gun free zones (i.e. Mexico)
I wonder if the Texas plates were associated with the kidnapped Texans?
https://www.wcmessenger.com/articles/hu ... by-cartel/
Re: Big Shoot-Out South of Eagle Pass, Texas
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:20 am
by jason812
If they have "CDN" plastered on their trucks, should be easy to find. Label them as the terrorist they are and give out special forces some close to home training.