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Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:57 pm
by AF-Odin
The officer has the right to disarm you, but must return the weapon at the conclusion of the encounter if you are not arrested. Had this happen just once, a loooong time ago (Oct 2005). Long story with a few comical (scary) parts. Was on I-10 south of Fort Stockton. I admit I was going about 4-5 miles over the posted speed limit and was pulled over by DPS. Two guys in the car, a 40ish Sergeant and a 20ish no-striper, The young guy did all the talking with the Sergeant watching. When I produced my (then) CHL and told him I was carrying, he got really excited and told me to get out of the car and remove my firearm. Told him I was not comfortable handling a loaded firearm in those circumstances, but he was somewhat demanding so I took off my Glock 19 in it's paddle holster. He told me to open the back door and put it on the floor--OK He then tells the Sergeant to watch me and young guy retrieves pistol in holster and takes it back to the DPS vehicle. He then tries to remove the loaded Glock from the "retention" paddle holster. I was afraid he was going to shoot himself. Sergeant still just standing there smiling. A short while later, young guy returns and tells the Sergeant that the gun was not reported stolen. He then proceeds with 20 questions and finally gets to "do you know why I pulled you over." He gives me a Warning Ticket for exceeding the posted speed limit., tells the Sergeant to watch me (again) and retrieves my pistol with the mag out and chamber cleared and holster from his vehicle and replaces all on the rear seat floor--after thumbing all of the rounds out of the magazine leaving 16 loose rounds, a magazine, and Glock with slide locked back on the floor. Young guy tells me not to return to my vehicle until they have left. Smiling Sergeant FINALLY speaks and says, "Sorry for the inconvenience, have a good trip." Guess every new guy has to train and I think procedures have gotten lot better over the years. Every other LE encounter in my 24 years of having a Texas CHL/LTC while carrying has been a NON-EVENT with extremely polite Police, Sheriff Deputies, and DPS Troopers.
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:07 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
AF-Odin wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:57 pm
The officer has the right to disarm you, but must return the weapon at the conclusion of the encounter if you are not arrested. Had this happen just once, a loooong time ago (Oct 2005). Long story with a few comical (scary) parts. Was on I-10 south of Fort Stockton. I admit I was going about 4-5 miles over the posted speed limit and was pulled over by DPS. Two guys in the car, a 40ish Sergeant and a 20ish no-striper, The young guy did all the talking with the Sergeant watching. When I produced my (then) CHL and told him I was carrying, he got really excited and told me to get out of the car and remove my firearm. Told him I was not comfortable handling a loaded firearm in those circumstances, but he was somewhat demanding so I took off my Glock 19 in it's paddle holster. He told me to open the back door and put it on the floor--OK He then tells the Sergeant to watch me and young guy retrieves pistol in holster and takes it back to the DPS vehicle. He then tries to remove the loaded Glock from the "retention" paddle holster. I was afraid he was going to shoot himself. Sergeant still just standing there smiling. A short while later, young guy returns and tells the Sergeant that the gun was not reported stolen. He then proceeds with 20 questions and finally gets to "do you know why I pulled you over." He gives me a Warning Ticket for exceeding the posted speed limit., tells the Sergeant to watch me (again) and retrieves my pistol with the mag out and chamber cleared and holster from his vehicle and replaces all on the rear seat floor--after thumbing all of the rounds out of the magazine leaving 16 loose rounds, a magazine, and Glock with slide locked back on the floor. Young guy tells me not to return to my vehicle until they have left. Smiling Sergeant FINALLY speaks and says, "Sorry for the inconvenience, have a good trip." Guess every new guy has to train and I think procedures have gotten lot better over the years. Every other LE encounter in my 24 years of having a Texas CHL/LTC while carrying has been a NON-EVENT with extremely polite Police, Sheriff Deputies, and DPS Troopers.
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:58 pm
by crazy2medic
I would have serious concerns about handing my Para 1911 cocked and locked to anybody that is not familiar with the design!
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:19 pm
by strogg
I, for one, do not mind if an officer runs the serial numbers on guns only to make sure that they're not stolen. That's good practice in my books. But the process with which they get the serial number off the firearm to run it is my main concern. That involves people who only just met to reach for and handle a loaded firearm. That is a recipe for disaster.
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:23 pm
by Liberty
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:58 pm
I would have serious concerns about handing my Para 1911 cocked and locked to anybody that is not familiar with the design!
Although I wouldn't feel happy about it, I wouldn't be as concerned about my Bretta PX4 SC while it was holstered. Manual safety DA while hammer down. I suppose a striker fired weapon needs only one mistake. A 1911 or DA/SA needs at least a series of 2 screwups.
I once got pulled over in Louisiana in a construction zone. The local officer had me unload my weapon and leave it in my front seat. Seemed pretty stupid to me having me handle the weapon in front of him. Just removing holster and gun at the same time would have made more sense. He gave me verbal warning, I reloaded and went on my way.
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:21 pm
by Syntyr
Hmmm wonder what would happen if I was carrying my AR15 Ghost Pistol with no serial number?
Not saying that I have one but if I did...
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:38 pm
by der Teufel
Syntyr wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:21 pm
Hmmm wonder what would happen if I was carrying my AR15 Ghost Pistol with no serial number?
Not saying that I have one but if I did...
Yeah, what's the deal if you have a firearm that has no serial #?
Just asking for a friend …
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:01 pm
by Jago668
der Teufel wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:38 pm
Syntyr wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:21 pm
Hmmm wonder what would happen if I was carrying my AR15 Ghost Pistol with no serial number?
Not saying that I have one but if I did...
Yeah, what's the deal if you have a firearm that has no serial #?
Just asking for a friend …
You can get 80% Glock lowers, doesn't even have to be an AR15 pistol.
Re: Running weapon serial # during a traffic stop?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:06 pm
by Syntyr
der Teufel wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:38 pm
Syntyr wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:21 pm
Hmmm wonder what would happen if I was carrying my AR15 Ghost Pistol with no serial number?
Not saying that I have one but if I did...
Yeah, what's the deal if you have a firearm that has no serial #?
Just asking for a friend …
Cant tell if there is sarcasm there but in case there isnt...
At least in Texas, some other states forbid it, you can make a gun yourself and it requires no serial number or paperwork. . You can never sell it or give it away. And it's not a SBR, SBS, machine gun, silencer, or AOW. So as long as it's a regular pistol or shotgun or rifle. There are 80% receiver kits out there that take care of most of the work for you. And nothing bigger than .50. So that 40mm chain gun is a nono!