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How exactly do you figure a rifle or shotgun is not a weapon?rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:38 am TABC signs refers to weapons but long gum is not a weapon.
Correct web site.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/other ... sGuide.pdf
I agree but they seem to define weapon as a handgun, illegal knife or club.imkopaka wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:03 pmHow exactly do you figure a rifle or shotgun is not a weapon?rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:38 am TABC signs refers to weapons but long gum is not a weapon.
Correct web site.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/other ... sGuide.pdf
rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:15 pmI agree but they seem to define weapon as a handgun, illegal knife or club.imkopaka wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:03 pmHow exactly do you figure a rifle or shotgun is not a weapon?rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:38 am TABC signs refers to weapons but long gum is not a weapon.
Correct web site.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/other ... sGuide.pdf
This pretty clearly states that any firearm qualifies unless it is a licensed handgun, police, security detail, etc.Pages 35-36 wrote:Firearms on Licensed Premises
[Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) AB Code]
The Commission shall cancel a retail alcoholic beverage
permit or license if it is found, after notice and hearing, that
the permittee or licensee knowingly allowed a person to
possess a firearm in a building on the licensed premises.
(See “Exceptions” below for instances when a person may
carry a firearm on the premises.)
Unlawful Carrying of Weapons
[Section 46.02 Texas Penal Code]
A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or
recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun,
illegal knife, or club. (See § 46.02 Texas Penal Code for full
text.)
An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
An offense under this section is a third degree felony if the
offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a
permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages. (See
“Exceptions” below for instances when a person may carry
a firearm on a premises licensed or issued a permit by this
state to sell alcoholic beverages.)
Exceptions to Unlawful Carrying of Weapons
[Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) Alcoholic Beverage Code,
Section 46.15 Texas Penal Code]
Texas Peace Officer’s Guide
36
Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage
Code and Section 46.02 of the Texas Penal Code do not
apply to a person who:
1. holds a security officer commission issued under
Chapter 1702 by the Texas Occupations Code, if:
a. the person is engaged in the performance of the
person’s duties as a security officer;
b. the person is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
c. the weapon is in plain view;
2. is a peace officer;
3. is an alcoholic beverage licensee or permittee or
employee of a licensee or permittee if the person is
supervising the operation of the premises; or the firearm
is possessed for ceremonial and/or display purposes, if
such firearm is disabled from use as a firearm;
4. possesses a handgun and the person is licensed to
carry;
5. is engaged in an historic reenactment approved by the
Commission and no live ammunition is present; or
6. possesses a concealed handgun inside of or directly
en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person
or under the person’s control and the person is not:
a. engaged in criminal activity other than a Class C
misdemeanor traffic or boating violation; or
b. prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
c. a member of a criminal street gang as defined in
the Penal Code.
Alcoholic Beverage Code
37
An offense still occurs if the licensee/permittee is on the
premises of a business that has a mixed beverage permit,
a private club registration permit, a wine and beer retailer’s
permit or a beer retailer’s on-premise license if the business
derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of
alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.
It appears that they can lose their license if they allow firearms but it is only an offense if you carry a handgun and are not ltc holder.imkopaka wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:44 pmrotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:15 pmI agree but they seem to define weapon as a handgun, illegal knife or club.imkopaka wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:03 pmHow exactly do you figure a rifle or shotgun is not a weapon?rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:38 am TABC signs refers to weapons but long gum is not a weapon.
Correct web site.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/other ... sGuide.pdfThis pretty clearly states that any firearm qualifies unless it is a licensed handgun, police, security detail, etc.Pages 35-36 wrote:Firearms on Licensed Premises
[Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) AB Code]
The Commission shall cancel a retail alcoholic beverage
permit or license if it is found, after notice and hearing, that
the permittee or licensee knowingly allowed a person to
possess a firearm in a building on the licensed premises.
(See “Exceptions” below for instances when a person may
carry a firearm on the premises.)
Unlawful Carrying of Weapons
[Section 46.02 Texas Penal Code]
A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or
recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun,
illegal knife, or club. (See § 46.02 Texas Penal Code for full
text.)
An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
An offense under this section is a third degree felony if the
offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a
permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages. (See
“Exceptions” below for instances when a person may carry
a firearm on a premises licensed or issued a permit by this
state to sell alcoholic beverages.)
Exceptions to Unlawful Carrying of Weapons
[Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) Alcoholic Beverage Code,
Section 46.15 Texas Penal Code]
Texas Peace Officer’s Guide
36
Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage
Code and Section 46.02 of the Texas Penal Code do not
apply to a person who:
1. holds a security officer commission issued under
Chapter 1702 by the Texas Occupations Code, if:
a. the person is engaged in the performance of the
person’s duties as a security officer;
b. the person is wearing a distinctive uniform; and
c. the weapon is in plain view;
2. is a peace officer;
3. is an alcoholic beverage licensee or permittee or
employee of a licensee or permittee if the person is
supervising the operation of the premises; or the firearm
is possessed for ceremonial and/or display purposes, if
such firearm is disabled from use as a firearm;
4. possesses a handgun and the person is licensed to
carry;
5. is engaged in an historic reenactment approved by the
Commission and no live ammunition is present; or
6. possesses a concealed handgun inside of or directly
en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person
or under the person’s control and the person is not:
a. engaged in criminal activity other than a Class C
misdemeanor traffic or boating violation; or
b. prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
c. a member of a criminal street gang as defined in
the Penal Code.
Alcoholic Beverage Code
37
An offense still occurs if the licensee/permittee is on the
premises of a business that has a mixed beverage permit,
a private club registration permit, a wine and beer retailer’s
permit or a beer retailer’s on-premise license if the business
derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of
alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.
Only WalMart I ever saw posting no gins signs was in NM, some place west of Albuquerque, IIRC.
I hope they do not start behind this killing.
imkopaka wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:03 pmHow exactly do you figure a rifle or shotgun is not a weapon?rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:38 am TABC signs refers to weapons but long gum is not a weapon.
Correct web site.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/other ... sGuide.pdf
Clearly? Mission Impossible has that explosive gum. Hard to use on a small iPhone.philip964 wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:11 pmimkopaka wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:03 pmHow exactly do you figure a rifle or shotgun is not a weapon?rotor wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:38 am TABC signs refers to weapons but long gum is not a weapon.
Correct web site.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/other ... sGuide.pdf
Clearly a long gum is not a weapon.
The TABC requirements are for one of two different signs. I believe Walmart falls under "establishments whose alcohol sales are 50% or less of total gross receipts. It warns that unlicensed possession of a concealed weapon is a felony."imkopaka wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:26 amI have never seen a Walmart post anything barring guns, however, to my knowledge ALL Walmarts in Texas sell beer and wine, and are therefore required by TABC to post blue signs. Said signs make it illegal to carry a rifle inside (or any other firearm that isn't carried under the authority of LTC). So, it was illegal for him to carry the gun he had into Walmart.RoadRunnerTR21 wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:37 am Is this Walmart in El Paso posted? I saw earlier where someone said the mall was but what about the Walmart?
Not enough people carrying and/or willing to defend.Maxwell wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:54 pm I had a coworker in CA ask me: Why didn't anyone fight back?
The figures would be skewed even lower. There was a significant percentage of Mexican Nationals. Walmart at that time of day would have a lot more women ( who are more unlikely to carry.)oljames3 wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:41 pmNot enough people carrying and/or willing to defend.Maxwell wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:54 pm I had a coworker in CA ask me: Why didn't anyone fight back?
Crime Prevention Research Center, 2018, published data on the number of license/permit holders by state. Texas was below the national average.
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/new-s ... inorities/
So, being generous, 7% of the adults in El Paso might have an LTC. Of that 7&+%, maybe half would be carrying. Of that 7%, maybe 1% have had any training. LTC does not count. http://blog.krtraining.com/beyond-the-o ... nt-part-1/
Pick a number of adults you think were in the Walmart and do the math. How many adults would have to be present for 1 LTC holder, with training, to be present? Way too many.