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txinvestigator wrote:[Ronald Reagen] There you go again [/Ronald Reagen] The signs don't mean, in any fashion, that they don't want CHLer's business. To keep insisting that does not make it true.

Time to see if I understand the sides on this portion of it.

One side is that 2A means that you should be able to carry wherever you want and there is nothing that anyone can do about it and any sign that tries to stop you from doing so is attempting to influence your 2A right.

Side two is that the 2A only limits what the government can do (Fed and/or local) and that a private company can prohibit firearms from their property without infringement of 2A rights.

This is a constitutional amendment argument, not a CHL argument. Enough please. Both arguments have merit.

After further consideration on this item, I am beginning to think it is a GOOD idea to have these at car dealerships. Thinking back on some of my past car shopping safaris, there have been times when salesmen have made me so angry at trying to low-ball my trade, tack on extra charges, jack up financing, etc., it was probably a good thing I wasn't armed!!

In all seriousness, it comes down to everyone's rights. They have a right to prohibit ANYONE on their property, just as you do yours. If you don't want middle aged, pudgy guys with male pattern baldness on your private property, that is your right, but I won't be showing up then. You also have a right to take your business elsewhere when they don't want you carrying on their private property. That is why we live in the USA, freedom of our rights and choices.

EDIT: And if you live in the Dallas area, go to Rodeo Ford. They let Burton Gilliam open carry in their commercials!

What's funny to me is that everyone has such a HUGE problem with only certain signs. well, what about the 51% signs. what's the difference there, huh? Why should that be any difference? It's already against the law to carry while intoxicated, so who cares if you're armed inside an establishment that serves The Booze?
why aren't ya'll up in arms (haha, pun) about those eeeeeeeeeevil 51% signs???

DoubleJ wrote:What's funny to me is that everyone has such a HUGE problem with only certain signs. well, what about the 51% signs. what's the difference there, huh? Why should that be any difference? It's already against the law to carry while intoxicated, so who cares if you're armed inside an establishment that serves The Booze?
why aren't ya'll up in arms (haha, pun) about those eeeeeeeeeevil 51% signs???

Because a 51% sign is required by law, and the owner if such a place must post to compy with the law.

A 30.06 sign is posted as a matter of choice.

yeah, but if an action is already illegal, why outlaw even being in the vicinity of that action?
I understand that part, but we should be just OUTRAGED that a LAW prevents us from carrying in these establishments. Why isn't this law repealed????

yes, I'm exaggerating for emphasis. it's the same point, to me.
file your 30.06 signs with the 51% signs, and courtrooms, and schoolhouses and THE DREAD PRO SPORTS EVENTS!!!!
not a football game, nooooooooooooooooooo!

Kalrog wrote: One side is that 2A means that you should be able to carry wherever you want and there is nothing that anyone can do about it and any sign that tries to stop you from doing so is attempting to influence your 2A right.

This argument implies someone can come onto my property and exercise their absolute right to free speech and spout off vile, offensive language. Or gather their friends on my property to have a party as freedom of assembly is protected. And at that party they can offer burnt sacrifice to the SUV as the free exercise of religion is protected.

I think not. You have rights on public and perhaps other private property that you most assuredly do not have on mine.... BTW, CHL carry is OK by me on my property, but it is my choice.

GrillKing wrote:

Kalrog wrote:I think not. You have rights on public and perhaps other private property that you most assuredly do not have on mine.... BTW, CHL carry is OK by me on my property, but it is my choice.

Yeah, but can we have a different topic if we want to discuss that? And stop hijacking my(?) thread?

Kalrog wrote:

GrillKing wrote:

Kalrog wrote:I think not. You have rights on public and perhaps other private property that you most assuredly do not have on mine.... BTW, CHL carry is OK by me on my property, but it is my choice.

Yeah, but can we have a different topic if we want to discuss that? And stop hijacking my(?) thread?

It isn't a different topic. The point is others rights end at my door. Likewise for Covert. I don't like their policy, but they have the right to restrict carry on their property, just as they can restrict speech, assembly, worship, etc.

Kalrog wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:[Ronald Reagen] There you go again [/Ronald Reagen] The signs don't mean, in any fashion, that they don't want CHLer's business. To keep insisting that does not make it true.

Time to see if I understand the sides on this portion of it.

One side is that 2A means that you should be able to carry wherever you want and there is nothing that anyone can do about it and any sign that tries to stop you from doing so is attempting to influence your 2A right.

Side two is that the 2A only limits what the government can do (Fed and/or local) and that a private company can prohibit firearms from their property without infringement of 2A rights.

This is a constitutional amendment argument, not a CHL argument. Enough please. Both arguments have merit.

Actually it is not a 2A arguement. Its about personal choices. They have a right to post what ever signs they wish. My point only point is that we as CHLers also have the right to personal choices based on how businesses wish to make us feel welcome. I never claimed that any business doesn't have any right to post any sign that they want. But when someone posts a no guns sign whether the sign is legally binding or not. They are saying to the CHler and the rest of the world they don't want us pistol packers in their store. I would tend to avoid the antis. They don't want my business and I'm glad to oblige.

I am going with "Liberty" on this one. It may not mean anything to anyone else, but it means a lot to me. Even a Ghostbuster sign that does not effect CHL it still means they have a problem with gun rights in some form of fashion - I will drive to the next car lot

My stance is the businesses that post or attempt to post a VALID 30.06 sign, will not be getting my business unless the sign is changed. All other signs are totally ignored. I go the gas stations all the time with the TABC signs and have no problems with their business. I go to several stores with ghost buster signs and ignore them. But those establishments that some can't resist their food and others like them , will not be getting my dollars. I'm not Nazist with the any sign deal or 2A rheotoric. If they are not SPECIFICALLY spelled out in the TX CHL Laws as off limits, then i'm carrying. If a 30.06 sign stops me then I'm not spending. That's my official stance until further amendments.

There is no 2A issue here whatsoever.

No one has the right to enter or remain on someone else's private property with or without a gun.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service."

"Proper dress required."

You have the RKBA - in public. When you're on my property, you follow my rules.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
You have the RKBA - in public. When you're on my property, you follow my rules.

Amen

The OP never mentioned the 2A in his post. He simply stated that a car dealership posted a no guns sign and that he would take his business elsewhere. He also would let the dealership know why they lost a sale.

Both sides are exercising their rights.

All you other posters are just muddying up the OP's thread.

I happen to agree with him and Liberty and Carlson1.

Liberty wrote: But when someone posts a no guns sign whether the sign is legally binding or not. They are saying to the CHler and the rest of the world they don't want us pistol packers in their store.

ONLY WHILE YOU ARE PACKING. Please stop trying to make it seem as though SINCE you have a CHL they don't want your business.