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jdm wrote:I once saw some business cards that had on the front "No guns = No $". On the back it said something to the effect that CHL holders have passed a local and federal background check, have no felonies, no major misdemeanors, current on taxes, child support, and no wrote bad checks. "How much do you know about your other customers?"

The idea was to leave it with the manager of a place that posted no guns and hopefully make them think.

I googled around and haven't found where to order those cards, but I would like to carry some around.

Kind of like these? I print these myself, the heck with paying for them, plus I can customize them.


By jimlongley at 2006-03-27

I card all businesses that post, whether the posting is compliant or not, and often attach a letter and a personal card with my mail and email addys on it so they can respond. Businesses that are posted non-compliant I go to anyway. Except for Bass Pro in Grapevine I have never seen a change in signage after one of my letters or cards, although I have received a few replies, usually form letter kind of things. Bass Pro replied and took their signs down.

Mike from Texas wrote:Well if you are going to not patronize there any more over a non binding sign, then you might as well stay home. Almost every place of business has either the ghostbusters sign or one of the "unlicensed carry" signs in there.

If it were a legal 30.06 I would understand. I just smile at the others knowing they don't apply to me.

Fortunately that is not the case. Now that I have my CHL I find myself perusing every doorway I enter for signage...

It is my choice whether or not to patronize. That choice is not always based simply on gun-signs.

I would also like to state that in my opinion, doing nothing about the whole issue is not the right thing to do.

I'm right around the corner from the HQ of Jason's-I might just drop by today for a chat.
JL

Personally, I will just ignore a gunbuster or similarly invalid sign and go in. Concealed means concealed. Now, if a business that I frequent suddenly posts a legitimate sign, then I will explain to them why I will no longer give them my money.

I do my part to know the law and my responsibilities under that law. That knowledge came from effort on my part. I did not wait for it to be spoon-fed to me. If they want to prohibit my legal sidearm, I expect them to put in the same effort to do it correctly AND LEGALLY!!!.

KBCraig wrote: It is always a bad idea to educate business owners about 30.06 signage. Not everyone has either the time nor inclination to engage business owners about their policies and signage, but every CHL patron will be affected if the owner replaces non-compliant signs with 30.06 notices.

I, respectfully, disagree. First of all, they may have unknowingly posted signs that they had no intention to enforce, as was the case (claimed) by Bass Pro when I protested their (non-compliant) signs. Bass Pro took the signs down and sent me a letter of explanation and apology. When I complained to the City of Plano, they took down or changed all of their signs, except the PISD ones, which still have not changed, and which I ignore since they chose not to respond.

Second of all, they may have every intention of enforcing the (non-compliant) signage, and if the CHL holder caught carrying on their premise happens to have the poor karma to be accosted by a LEO who doesn't know or care what the signage rules are, it will mean at least a ride if not a great deal more inconvenience.

Thirdly, if you put them on notice that their signage is improper and meaningless, maybe they will just take it down, or maybe they will have to go to the expense and effort to make it right, which is no net loss to CHLers, or maybe they will leave it just the same, indicating, in my mind, that they just don't care to comply with the law and don't mind if you do.

I have always sent cards and letters to businesses posting such signs, and city governments too, and don't see any damage to CHLers in doing so, and I will continue to do so.

And I still think the law needs some teeth.

Maybe someone could create window stickers with the ghostbuster icon, but with the subtext "Excludes holders of valid Concealed Handgun Licenses." We could then mail those to the companies with the suggestion that this would be a more appropriate sign. Just a thought.

I eat at the one in Grapevine, and I just ignore the sign. If they don't care enough to make their sign legal, then I don't care enough to stop eating there. On the day they post a proper 30.06, I'll stop going there. Heck, if I refused to patronize any business that had some kind of puny little ghostbusters sign or other, I'd never be able to spend my money!

agbullet2k1 wrote:Maybe someone could create window stickers with the ghostbuster icon, but with the subtext "Excludes holders of valid Concealed Handgun Licenses." We could then mail those to the companies with the suggestion that this would be a more appropriate sign. Just a thought.

Monday last week, we had lunch at the California Pizza Kitchen in Grapevine. Prominently displayed on the front doors were large white signs specifying that the UNLICENSED possession of a firearm on the premises was forbidden. I love those signs because, whenever I see one, I see a business owner that understands the difference between licensed and un-licensed, and is subtly communicating the message that they are completely comfortable with CHLs.

I will definitely eat there again (a salad of course )

I think anyone who confronts a business for a non-compliant sign is an idiot (sorry).

If any business posts any type of no gun sign - their action "tells" you to take your business elsewhere.

If you're willing to disarm to enter their business, I'm sure they'll be glad to have your patronage, but they're equally happy if you pass them by or they wouldn't post such signs to begin with...

Spoke with a very courteous person at the Beaumont office just a few minutes ago. He's going to pass along the comments here to the persons that make those decisions and inform them of the views of CHL holders and of the comments in this thread(he asked about the forum's web address). He was under the assumption that the TABC required those signs since they sold alcohol there.
JL

The Annoyed Man wrote:

agbullet2k1 wrote:Maybe someone could create window stickers with the ghostbuster icon, but with the subtext "Excludes holders of valid Concealed Handgun Licenses." We could then mail those to the companies with the suggestion that this would be a more appropriate sign. Just a thought.

Monday last week, we had lunch at the California Pizza Kitchen in Grapevine. Prominently displayed on the front doors were large white signs specifying that the UNLICENSED possession of a firearm on the premises was forbidden. I love those signs because, whenever I see one, I see a business owner that understands the difference between licensed and un-licensed, and is subtly communicating the message that they are completely comfortable with CHLs.

I will definitely eat there again (a salad of course )

I thought those signs were required by TABC for restaurants serving alcohol (non-51%)? I was just thinking of places like department stores, small shops, deli's, etc., where managers put up the extra "who ya gonna call" emblems.

ricor wrote:I think anyone who confronts a business for a non-compliant sign is an idiot (sorry).

IMHO, those little things that we tend to let slide for whatever reason all add-up to a culture of, "Gee, I wonder why nobody does anything about that", and, "Wow, how did everything end up this way"?

I am glad that those radicals back in the late 18th century didn't feel that way.

How many of these folks who talk to these business owners also make it a habit to talk to their congresscritters on a regular basis since those critters do more in one day to affect their lives than all of the signs on all of the doors in Texas?

BTW, had Jason's Deli delivered to the plant today. The delivery guy was unarmed when he entered the control room. The mufalata was delicious.

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