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Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:19 pm**

aerod1 wrote:My priest has NEVER seen me at church when I wasn't a concealed handgun.

You're a concealed handgun? What type?

Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:56 pm**

I actually have to laugh at this whole thread. Not only do I carry at church, but I was recently rebaptised and was carrying even then.

http://www.narrowtrail.org/albums/jimlongley.html#3

Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:39 pm**

I always have my carry when I baptize someone. Easier to leave it there than disarm. That is what waders are for.

Posted: **Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:48 pm**

Sorry for coming to the party late on this thread.

I have a Church Carry follow-up question. What about churches that have schools as well. Is the church proper OK and all School buildings off limits. And when the school classes attend services, is the church then off limits?

Basically, I've always avoided the "school buildings" and any masses that I know are for school purposes. If it makes it easier to opine, the 2 (school and church) seem to be 2 distinct entities.

It's strictly a pocket carry occasion. Too much change of a drive by hugging.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:29 am**

arthurcw wrote:Sorry for coming to the party late on this thread.

I have a Church Carry follow-up question. What about churches that have schools as well. Is the church proper OK and all School buildings off limits. And when the school classes attend services, is the church then off limits?

Basically, I've always avoided the "school buildings" and any masses that I know are for school purposes. If it makes it easier to opine, the 2 (school and church) seem to be 2 distinct entities.

It's strictly a pocket carry occasion. Too much change of a drive by hugging.

That's the only reason I'm glad my congregation has not decided to open up a school in our (relatively) new facility. However, there is some encouraging "news." The law says carry on school premises is barred, and it then goes on to define premises as a building or portion of a building. So I would think that, if you stayed out of the portion of the building(s) that were used by the school, you'd be okay. The problem is what school held on a church facility does not use the auditorium for some functions (chapel, plays, assemblies, etc.)? This is, of course, my opinion, and IANAL.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:50 am**

arthurcw wrote:Sorry for coming to the party late on this thread.

I have a Church Carry follow-up question. What about churches that have schools as well. Is the church proper OK and all School buildings off limits. And when the school classes attend services, is the church then off limits?

Basically, I've always avoided the "school buildings" and any masses that I know are for school purposes. If it makes it easier to opine, the 2 (school and church) seem to be 2 distinct entities.

It's strictly a pocket carry occasion. Too much change of a drive by hugging.

You are most likely okay. If it is just a daycare, then you are most certainly okay. Now, would you like to be 100% okay? Get permission from someone with the authority to grant it that says you can carry on campus.

My church is also a daycare, but it does have a kindergarden as well. Good thing my wife is on the board of dayschool to take any possible ambiguity out of the situation.

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:50 pm**

The problem is what school held on a church facility does not use the auditorium for some functions

Yeah. I don't carry when I know things are going to move to a gym or auditorium since those are most likely School buildings. The parish hall is, IMO, the PARISH HALL. Not a school building. If I find that one of the masses is specifically for a school function (Confirmation, graduation, et al), my CCW stays in the car. Luckily, there are not many of those that happen.

I park close so if someone says, "we are gathering in the Gym for...," I can skip out to the car and put my CCW in the lock box.

Now, would you like to be 100% okay? Get permission from someone with the authority to grant it that says you can carry on campus.

OH MY SIDES HURT!!! PLEASE STOP!!!! HAHAHAH! That's good one. Sadly, I think this is something I'm gonna leave on the QT. Too many people would have a coronary. I'll sit quietly and keep their backs while the Good Lord gets us holyafied. This is one of those instances where what they don't know may save their lives.

Thanks for the input.

P.S. I really wish the law had the words, "while classes are in session," added to it. Of course that would give all the Educrats acute dyspepsia thinking that a, ewww ick, GUN might have crossed the threshold of their Utopia. And yes, I was a teacher. So I get to make fun of them.

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:43 pm**

From Page One of the Centinel of the North-west Territory, Saturday, August 30th, 1794.

Italics as in the original, as best I can make them out. Line breaks as in the original. Lettering/spelling updated to modern usage, e.g. affemble becomes assemble.

Image of original at http://www.claytoncramer.com/primary/Te ... ilitia.jpg

via Clayton Cramer at http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/200 ... 5434904689

TO THE MILITIA

As it is presumed, from the defenceless
manner in which some persons enrolled in the
militia of this territory assemble themselves
for public worship, that they may be unin-
formed in a few essentials of duty, the follow-
ing publication is made for their government
-- with the assurance that all future delin-
quencies must be noticed by

WINTHROP SARGENT
the present Commandant

Extract and act entitled, " an act to
"alter & amend the militia laws." Page 67.
Sec 2d. And it shall be enacted, " That whenever
" persons enrolled in the militia of this ter-
" ritory shall assemble at any place for pub-
" lic worship, each person shall arm and
" equip himself, according to the law, in the same
" manner as if he were marching to engage
" the enemy, and on default, he shall be fined
" as the law directs in cases of default when
" ordered for guard or other ordinary mili-
" tary duty," &tc.

Copy of a general order to the militia issued
at Cincinnatti, County of Hamilton and ter-
ritory aforesaid, September the 18th 1792.

The practice of assembling for public wor
ship without arms may be attended with most
seditious and melancholy consequences --It
presents the opportunity to an enemy of the
smallest degree of enterprise to effect each
fatal impression upon our infant settlements
as posterity might long in vain lament.

The laws of the territory have wisely pro-
vided that every man enrolled in the militia
shall upon those occasions, arm and equip
himself in the same manner as though he
were marching to engage the enemy, or
in default that he shall be fined one
cents to be levied upon complaint
made to any justice of the peace.

elb

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:47 pm**

jimlongley wrote:

I actually have to laugh at this whole thread. Not only do I carry at church, but I was recently rebaptised and was carrying even then.

http://www.narrowtrail.org/albums/jimlongley.html#3

You weren't worried that it would rust?

Posted: **Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:26 pm**

Venus Pax wrote:
jimlongley wrote:

I actually have to laugh at this whole thread. Not only do I carry at church, but I was recently rebaptised and was carrying even then.

http://www.narrowtrail.org/albums/jimlongley.html#3
You weren't worried that it would rust?

Nah, stainless pocket gun.

Even my regular steel guns would not rust enough that fast, I cleaned it after church.

Posted: **Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:30 am**

I will be baptizing a 72 yr old new convert Sunday morning. I will have my snubbie in my pocket then. I agree w/ Jim, no need to take it out. That is what waders are for.

If it gets wet, clean after Church.

BTW - I can count at least 4 more there. We do have a threat response plan at our little church.
LT

Posted: **Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:52 am**

My opinion (and it is that, only an opinion!): If the building is used exclusively by the school - off limits. If the building is also used by the owner (church), it's a church unless a school activity is in progress in the building. In other words, the Sanctuary is OK to carry Sundays, but not during the week IF the school has an activity in progress in that building.

Posted: **Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:11 pm**

longtooth wrote:That is what waders are for.

Hey, that's cheating!

Posted: **Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:18 pm**

KBCraig wrote:
longtooth wrote:That is what waders are for.
Hey, that's cheating!

Maybe so but I never cheat unfairly.

Posted: **Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:27 pm**

Kauboy,

Thanks. My wife recently took the CHL class and came home telling me amusement parks were off limits. I didn't remember hearing it, so we looked it up and sure enough, WE DIDN"T READ FAR ENOUGH.

Until your post - I thought I was wrong, but apparently I was mistaken.

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