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Bullwhip's post was hard to follow. That's all I was saying - I was hoping he would clarify.seamusTX wrote:You quoted about 100 words from three people. What part of it do you not understand?
- Jim
But isn't that becoming more and more of the norm for homeowners to arm themselves and prepare to repel home invaders? Sounds like a legitimate and armed citizen can die unarmed at the hands of home-invaders or die armed at the hands of zealous SWAT teams. In my mind there appears to be an incredible difference between your run of the mill LEO on the beat, and a SWAT team member in mindset and preconceptions.KaiserB wrote:When you are on a team standing outside someones door and mentally expecting to execute a high-risk warrant, the door opens and someone is inside with a gun there is NO mental processing time the reaction is "Threat, shoot!" Being mentally amped up in preparation for a warrant service tends to trip up peoples natural reactions. I am sure the Sheriffs deputies were not expecting an innocent home owner to be inside with a gun in response to them breaking down the door.philip964 wrote:After watching the video, thank you for posting the link. I have the following comments:
So a judge signs a warrant to search your house, as someone has presented something that makes him believe there is probable cause to search your house. (I'm wondering what the judge is thinking right now. Maybe his name needs to be published. If he is proud of the job he is doing maybe he should come forward and say what he knows. All I know is I would be looking a lot harder at any search warrants I was signing after this.)
Is this what normally happens?
I usually don't come to the door right away as I am normally not expecting visitors. So if you don't come to the door in about what ten seconds and open the door, it is knocked down. And then five guys spray the house with automatic fire.
There were children in the house and innocent adults.
I did here what sounded like a car alarm. So there was some warning. I also didn't see Swat running around the side of the house pointing guns at the wife.
Seemed like a pretty nice little neighborhood.
I guess what I am asking is this standard operating procedure for serving a search warrant.
Or have I watched too much "Law and Order" and its really more like the videos of Iraq I have seen. Actually our soldiers seemed more careful of the civil rights of Iraqis.
After watching this and knowing what happened, I am now on the side of legalizing drugs, as it seems the drugs are much less of a worry to me now.
So they found a Border patrol cap, some guns (usually described as an arsenal of) and a bullet proof vest.
Very sad.
Sorry, I'm not the best writer.gigag04 wrote:Bullwhip's post was hard to follow. That's all I was saying - I was hoping he would clarify.seamusTX wrote:You quoted about 100 words from three people. What part of it do you not understand?
- Jim
I guess I should be concerned about being stopped in my truck with 30 gallons of gasoline, like that used for committing arson.seamusTX wrote:There is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence such as "Guerena was stopped in a truck that had a large roll of the plastic wrap often used to package drug loads like this one."
- Jim
That's exactly what I'm taking away from this. If you're unarmed the BGs have their way with you, if you're armed SWAT thinks you're Pablo Escobar and shoots you twenty-one times.Purplehood wrote:Sounds like a legitimate and armed citizen can die unarmed at the hands of home-invaders or die armed at the hands of zealous SWAT teams.
Not that I'm OK with these types of raids in most cases, but I'll answer your question anyway.pbwalker wrote:My thoughts on these militaristic raids are well known, so I won't add fuel to the fire...
So, those who are ok with these types of raids, can you tell us "everyday law-abiding citizens" how to avoid a situation like this?
Maybe I am a coward but my reaction would be “threat, take cover”. Of course all I had was a Kevlar vest.KaiserB wrote:When you are on a team standing outside someones door and mentally expecting to execute a high-risk warrant, the door opens and someone is inside with a gun there is NO mental processing time the reaction is "Threat, shoot!" Being mentally amped up in preparation for a warrant service tends to trip up peoples natural reactions. I am sure the Sheriffs deputies were not expecting an innocent home owner to be inside with a gun in response to them breaking down the door.philip964 wrote:After watching the video, thank you for posting the link. I have the following comments:
So a judge signs a warrant to search your house, as someone has presented something that makes him believe there is probable cause to search your house. (I'm wondering what the judge is thinking right now. Maybe his name needs to be published. If he is proud of the job he is doing maybe he should come forward and say what he knows. All I know is I would be looking a lot harder at any search warrants I was signing after this.)
Is this what normally happens?
I usually don't come to the door right away as I am normally not expecting visitors. So if you don't come to the door in about what ten seconds and open the door, it is knocked down. And then five guys spray the house with automatic fire.
There were children in the house and innocent adults.
I did here what sounded like a car alarm. So there was some warning. I also didn't see Swat running around the side of the house pointing guns at the wife.
Seemed like a pretty nice little neighborhood.
I guess what I am asking is this standard operating procedure for serving a search warrant.
Or have I watched too much "Law and Order" and its really more like the videos of Iraq I have seen. Actually our soldiers seemed more careful of the civil rights of Iraqis.
After watching this and knowing what happened, I am now on the side of legalizing drugs, as it seems the drugs are much less of a worry to me now.
So they found a Border patrol cap, some guns (usually described as an arsenal of) and a bullet proof vest.
Very sad.
The Marines would simply drive through the walls with an armored vehicle, or use explosives.tomneal wrote:I doubt anyone could harden a home to keep out marines but, do you really think you could harden your house to keep Swat out?