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bayouhazard wrote:No excuses. Your gun is your responsility to keep running, whether it was made by Swiss watchmakers or Pakistani farriers.

...if you're gonna keep it and rely on it, I agree...even if it costs you money to send it back or go to a gunsmith...I found it easier to just sell it to a casual shooter who wouldn't carry it and didn't mind the occasional problem and buy several more reliable ones...a Ruger KP97DC, and two Ruger KP90DC which in 15 years have never hiccuped once...

speedsix wrote:...if you're gonna keep it and rely on it, I agree...even if it costs you money to send it back or go to a gunsmith...I found it easier to just sell it to a casual shooter who wouldn't carry it and didn't mind the occasional problem and buy several more reliable ones...a Ruger KP97DC, and two Ruger KP90DC which in 15 years have never hiccuped once...

I gotta laugh when people brag about the reliabilty of their Glock guns. The old Stainless Rugers are as tough as any gun out their and cost less than most and is real American stainless and plastic.

stripesace wrote:we were just watching this at the office the other day for umpteenth time. It's a good video.

There's some good funny quotes in here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJaQvV6q-D8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Excellent practice video. Simple and to the point. It doesn't matter what happened as long as you train yourself to take the proper steps to get back in the fight.

Liberty wrote:

speedsix wrote:...if you're gonna keep it and rely on it, I agree...even if it costs you money to send it back or go to a gunsmith...I found it easier to just sell it to a casual shooter who wouldn't carry it and didn't mind the occasional problem and buy several more reliable ones...a Ruger KP97DC, and two Ruger KP90DC which in 15 years have never hiccuped once...

I gotta laugh when people brag about the reliabilty of their Glock guns. The old Stainless Rugers are as tough as any gun out their and cost less than most and is real American stainless and plastic.

...I know Glock's a fine weapon...I just love to rag on 'em when they talk about infallibility and perfection...gotta keep 'em humble...

hey i'm not bragging...haha ok maybe i am.

so the moral of the story is to each their own.

My wife has a G19 and I've fired it any number of times. It is a good reliable gun.....but it has not been 100% reliable....more like 99.8% reliable. Meaning...there's been a couple of malfunctions in the last 1,000 rounds or so. I keep the gun spotless and well cleaned for her. She's my wife, after all. Who knows. It could have been cheap ammo, something wrong with the gun, or it could have been shooter technique. I don't know. All I know is that the much vaunted Glocks, which entirely deserve their reputations, are mechanical devices; and like any other mechanical device, things can go wrong.

I used to own an HK USPc in .40 cal. I would rate its reliability as about the same as my wife's G19. It never gave me any trouble. I sold it because I don't like that caliber. My M&P45 has never had any kind of malfunction whatsoever, over roughly 2,000 rounds. I haven't really kept track of the round count because it's a keeper. Of my two carry 1911s, my 3" Kimber was delivered with a faulty part which did cause the slide to lock back prematurely all the time. Kimber replaced the part for free, which dropped right in, and the gun has been utterly reliable since....to the tune of probably 2,000 rounds. My 5" Springfield's reliability is something akin to the Glock and M&P's, although it is far more sensitive to proper cleaning than the two tupperware guns. It will malfunction if it gets too dirty.

The point is, not one single one, the M&P excepted, of my carry guns has ever been 100% dead perfect reliable. However, ALL of them approach 100% reliability if they are cleaned properly, and none of them is unreliable to the point where I worry about carrying them. I figure it is just a matter of time before the M&P hiccups at the range.

I have a torrid love affair with 1911s. The M&P isn't nearly so sexy, but it is just plain reliable, like a hammer, so I appreciate its usefulness. I actually do appreciate the Glock very much for what it is, but, they don't fit my hand very well....at least Gens 1-3 don't. I haven't tried out a Gen 4 gun yet with the replaceable back straps. OTH, I hear that the Gen 4s suffer some reliability issues, and that makes me a little leary. In any case, I like Glocks OK. I just don't think they are as 100% reliable as people claim, based on my own experience. NO pistol is 100% reliable. ALL pistols can have malfunctions. It's a reality you're going to have to accept if you want to carry a gun. I would venture that Clint Smith knows more about failure drills than just about anybody on this board. In the above linked video, he demonstrated the tap/rack/unload/reload drills with four different kinds of pistols, including the Glock. At no point did he say, "this will never happen with a Glock." At no point did he say, "I recommend Glock above all others." (In fact, if I recall correctly, his personal carry guns are 1911s, and he can pretty much carry whatever he wants.) What he DID say was "here is how to clear this failure in your gun, regardless of what it is."

That's what I'm going to go with.

Tap Rack Bang, thats what happens when you have a FTF FTEhttp://www.texaschlforum.com/posting.php?mode= ... =7&t=50390#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chuck Norris once sneezed on an 18 wheeler, the result was Optimus Prime.

His sneeze boogered it up?

texanron wrote:Option #1: Quaily with a Glock and you wont have to worry about FTE or FTF.
Good Luck!

Yep, all ya gotta worry about then is shooting yourself in the leg, or worse!

AEA wrote:

texanron wrote:Option #1: Quaily with a Glock and you wont have to worry about FTE or FTF.
Good Luck!

Yep, all ya gotta worry about then is shooting yourself in the leg, or worse!

Not if you practice the NRA's second rule of gun safety:

1. ALWAYS keep your gun pointed in a safe direction.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you are ready to fire.

3. ALWAYS keep your gun unloaded until ready to use. (You are using your gun when you are carrying it concealed.)

Ummmmm,

There is a little back story behind that comment!

RJ

Tap

Rack

Bang.

Should have plenty of time to get your shots out.

gigag04 wrote:Tap

Rack

Bang.

Should have plenty of time to get your shots out.

And ... though I carry the legendary dependable Glock .. I test with the infallible PT92 with the open-top slide
(Reminds me I need to take my old PT58 http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/5763/8649942_1.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to the range ; I bet it feels neglected)

Any gun can fail even the expensive ones. Pratice clearing malfunctions. Brand loyalty is great but please be realistic and keep the gun serviced.

gigag04 wrote:Tap

Rack

Bang.

Should have plenty of time to get your shots out.

Even if you miss one, you can still score 98% and pass. You can pass with only 35 of the 50 rounds so you would have to have more than a dozen FTF or FTE to fail because of malfunctions