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Maybe the solution will be for the DPS to file all applications so that, exactly on day 59, the plastic or notification goes to the mailroom--regardless of when the application evaluation and processing was completed. That way, there will be no perceived inequities, and no one starts to think that they are deserving of service faster than agreed.

Sixty days is 60 days. The DPS has no requirement to update a status on a Website--they do that only as a courtesy--and they have no requirement to deliver the license or notification any faster than 60 days. That's not my opinion, that's GC §411.177.

What remains my personal opinion is that it is a bad idea to contact the office of the Governor, or any other state agency, to complain about CHL processing speed at any time before the 60 days allowed by law has expired. Our state government has better things to do than handle complaints that are not valid. Don't demand special treatment. Let the DPS workers do their jobs. If they don't deliver as promised, then complain.

Fingerprints : Complete
Affidavits : Received
DL or ID : Valid
Citizenship : No documentation required
Passport photo holder : Received
Photo : Received
Proof of Classroom training : Received
Proof of Proficiency training : Received
Fee : Received
Background Check : Completed
Concealed Handgun License : Manufacturing

Banjo1960 wrote:Fingerprints : Complete
Affidavits : Received
DL or ID : Valid
Citizenship : No documentation required
Passport photo holder : Received
Photo : Received
Proof of Classroom training : Received
Proof of Proficiency training : Received
Fee : Received
Background Check : Completed
Concealed Handgun License : Manufacturing

Congratulations, Banjo1960.

For those at home: do not do what this man did.

Skiprr wrote:Maybe the solution will be for the DPS to file all applications so that, exactly on day 59, the plastic or notification goes to the mailroom--regardless of when the application evaluation and processing was completed. That way, there will be no perceived inequities, and no one starts to think that they are deserving of service faster than agreed.

Sixty days is 60 days. The DPS has no requirement to update a status on a Website--they do that only as a courtesy--and they have no requirement to deliver the license or notification any faster than 60 days. That's not my opinion, that's GC §411.177.

What remains my personal opinion is that it is a bad idea to contact the office of the Governor, or any other state agency, to complain about CHL processing speed at any time before the 60 days allowed by law has expired. Our state government has better things to do than handle complaints that are not valid. Don't demand special treatment. Let the DPS workers do their jobs. If they don't deliver as promised, then complain.

With all due respect, "maybe the solution" is to get the whole process away from a centralized bureaucracy and distributed back to a more local -- and accountable -- process.

There are other shall-issue states that still have stringent background check and training requirements, but they have the county sheriff issue the license. I know of many counties that routinely issue the license within 24 hours for a clean background and within a week for most other people. Local sheriffs are elected officials and thus more accountable to local people than some remote bureaucracy in Austin handling the licensing for 26 million residents. If you live in a county with a non-responsive sheriff, simply apply in a neighboring county. Sheriffs see the revenue they are missing and tend to clean up their act because they quickly realize it is a profitable service.

I agree with Frog! We need to break this Big Govt frame of mind. Give the power back to the local counties.

My two cents.....

11B wrote:I agree with Frog! We need to break this Big Govt frame of mind. Give the power back to the local counties.

My two cents.....

It's hard to say if that is the correct approach or not. Having lived in Colorado for 18 years prior to moving to texas 10 years ago I can tell you that each County/Sheriff was responsible for CHL issues. It was hit or miss depending on wether you had a pro-CHL or Anti-CHL Sheriff. I would not like to see that implemented here in Texas.

However, legislation could easily prevent discrimination like in Colorado.

Still in the 'Waiting' phase of my CHL but in the end I can say I'd rather live with the 30 - 60+ wait time line than have it go local.

CHL is a great honor and responsibility so it should be worth waiting for.

Arggghhh.... now 36 days "Under review."

Jumping Frog wrote:With all due respect, "maybe the solution" is to get the whole process away from a centralized bureaucracy and distributed back to a more local -- and accountable -- process.

If we're going to fix it, how about "shall not be infringed" instead of adding local politics into the mix. The "accountable" claim is a joke as long as there are DAs who play favorites, municipalities that post unenforceable 30.06 signs, and PDs that threaten to enforce 30.06 signs that don't meet the requirements. I won't even get into the "accountable" local politicians who refuse to sign a Form 4 or Form 1.

Lambda Force wrote:If we're going to fix it, how about "shall not be infringed"

There we have common ground!