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snatchel wrote:
I agree... But I am sure that they will be pretty upset that the guy left the scene. Leaving the scene of a crime or accident? Personally, his actions show me he is t responsible enough to carry seeing that he hooked off to avoid responsibility.

He went to his car and immediately returned. No one was hurt, and no car was involved. I am not a lawyer but I know of no law that says on must stick around if someone does something stupid and or embarrassing. In fact I am not sure any law was broken. There would need to be some adverbs fulfilled like intentionally, willfully, Negligently. He was cited and released, but not arrested, the cite suggest that he was charged with a misdemeaner.

txbirddog wrote:Have any heard of a revolver that was not cocked able to release the hammer and discharge?

All the old revolvers would fire if you dropped it on the un-cocked hammer. That is why Ruger's transfer bar safety was such a big innovation in their New Model Single Actions. It is also why the standard safe method of carrying a single action pistol is to make sure it is an empty chamber under the hammer (loaded with 5 rounds, not six).

Traditional hammer. If dropped on the hammer this will fire the round.


The safety transfer bar mechanism



New style hammer utilizing a transfer bar making it drop safe:





There are also hammer block safeties, common to revolvers with hammer-mounted firing pins, that are connected to the trigger mechanism and works in a fashion opposite that of the transfer bar safety. The image below shows a Smith & Wesson revolver with the hammer in the uncocked position. The hammer block is highlighted in red. In this position the hammer block is in the up position and will prevent the hammer-mounted firing pin from moving through the frame.:

...VERY old revolvers...the S&W hammer block safety's been around since 1945...you can drop a S&W from a helicopter and it won't go off...Colt has used a hammer block since WWII because a foreign gov't demanded it...and Iver Johnson did before that in around 1907 ...and advertised "hammer the hammer" to promote their revolvers... http://www.amazon.com/1907-Hammer-Johns ... B005DH53WK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ...I'm not researching the SA because so few carry them for defense these days...

...S&W started because a S&W was dropped on a ship and killed a sailor...according to the story...

I wonder if we will eventually see 30.06 signs appear at Target stores?

Jumping Frog wrote:

txbirddog wrote:Have any heard of a revolver that was not cocked able to release the hammer and discharge?

All the old revolvers would fire if you dropped it on the un-cocked hammer. That is why Ruger's transfer bar safety was such a big innovation in their New Model Single Actions. It is also why the standard safe method of carrying a single action pistol is to make sure it is an empty chamber under the hammer (loaded with 5 rounds, not six).

Traditional hammer. If dropped on the hammer this will fire the round.


The safety transfer bar mechanism



New style hammer utilizing a transfer bar making it drop safe:





There are also hammer block safeties, common to revolvers with hammer-mounted firing pins, that are connected to the trigger mechanism and works in a fashion opposite that of the transfer bar safety. The image below shows a Smith & Wesson revolver with the hammer in the uncocked position. The hammer block is highlighted in red. In this position the hammer block is in the up position and will prevent the hammer-mounted firing pin from moving through the frame.:

Thank you, very informative. I knew bits and pieces of it, but it was a good lesson all together like that.

Jumping Frog wrote:

txbirddog wrote:Have any heard of a revolver that was not cocked able to release the hammer and discharge?

All the old revolvers would fire if you dropped it on the un-cocked hammer. That is why Ruger's transfer bar safety was such a big innovation in their New Model Single Actions. It is also why the standard safe method of carrying a single action pistol is to make sure it is an empty chamber under the hammer (loaded with 5 rounds, not six).

Funny, you caused me to remember my Dad, back in the late 60's, he was a "Special Police" (AZ) and he had the a revolver and kept one shell under the hammer with a "Blank"
I really have not thought about that for 40 years... I guess he could scare a BG, better then blank

I will ask him about that, boy we came a long way babe...

BAT

Liberty wrote:

snatchel wrote:
I agree... But I am sure that they will be pretty upset that the guy left the scene. Leaving the scene of a crime or accident? Personally, his actions show me he is t responsible enough to carry seeing that he hooked off to avoid responsibility.

He went to his car and immediately returned. No one was hurt, and no car was involved. I am not a lawyer but I know of no law that says on must stick around if someone does something stupid and or embarrassing. In fact I am not sure any law was broken. There would need to be some adverbs fulfilled like intentionally, willfully, Negligently. He was cited and released, but not arrested, the cite suggest that he was charged with a misdemeaner.

Excuse my laziness... I didn't finish the article in its entirety, and in return mouthed off before I knew the details! Sorry guys.

This applies to the Taurus P 85 revolver Your gun may
be different check your owners manual
Don't take my word for it

I took this from another forum please read this concerning transferr safety
As you pull the trigger, the transfer bar automatically comes up to
bridge the gap between the hammer and firing pin ( firing Position).

So, to decock, face a safe direction, and you'd need to firmly hold
the hammer between thumb and index finger of your weak hand, and pull
the trigger with strong hand. As soon as the hammer starts to move forward,
release the trigger, lowering the transfer bar, and allow the hammer to come down.
Lower the hammer slow and easy keep your thumb on the hammer until it is down fully
Unload the revolver, and work the action in single and double action mode... it will be pretty clear.
Welcome to wheel guns, I carry a Model 85 all the time.

Note if you continue to pull the trigger as you slowly decock the transferr safety will remain in the up
firing position. A drop in this position can cause an accidental discharge

The transferr bar must be in the down position to be safe when you carry

Note some revolvers have a hammer block this works the opposite way from a transfer bar
Know what you have Know your gun.
If you are not sure check with the manafacturer before you ever put a round in the cylinder

I arrived to Target after the incident took place. I was walking by a bunch of police cars and policemen who were questioning the man involved. I did not slow down as I walked past. The only thing I heard was the man say “I keep my Glock locked in my truck”. May have been another gun… I don’t know.

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