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Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:51 am
by olafpfj
Kythas wrote:Interesting quote here from one of the kids who witnessed the shooting:
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/02/2 ... s-unknown/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“We all got under the tables, which is what your [sic] supposed to do..."
Did I read that right? Our schools are training our children that in the event of an active shooting, they're to get under a table and wait to be executed?
Isn't that the recommended defence from the show
Arrested Developement? Buster was taught to drop to the ground in a ball so that eventually the attackers would grow tired and bored and leave you alone.
On a similar note I can't even begin to describe my frustration and loathing with the people commenting about the teacher. Most comments, not all, are chastising the teacher for being a hero and chasing the shooter off.
The 2 general arguments I read about that are "
he was foolish and could've been shot", as if doing nothing was a guarantee of not getting shot and "
he should've let the authorities handle it". Rrrrright...the police who weren't there because it happened too fast.
I guess its a similar mindset to an anti who doesn't trust themselves with a gun and therefore none of us should. The people chastising the teacher wouldn't have done anything so the teacher shouldn't have either.
Resistance is NOT futile!!!
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:03 am
by rp_photo
Why not pass draconian Federal laws making schools Bullying-free Zones?
Probably because it would only impact good kids while doing nothing to stop the bad ones.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:04 am
by goose
jimlongley wrote:
Despite locks and hidden keys, I always had access to my father's guns, never underestimate a kid's powers of observation and persistence, so I guess it's just one of life's little miracles that I didn't do the same thing.
Jim, I am assuming that your “little miracles” involved knowing how to behave. I think that we have similar views.
My family had locks but the family knew where the keys were. Locks are for the bad guys/outside world. My sons know where my guns and keys are located. They know in a bad situation that after dad makes it to the defensive position at the top of the stairs, which gun(s) he might ask to have brought to him (from the locked safe).
This is a huge tragedy. There is no question about that but outside of illegal access or access by a known troubled teen, I'm not sure why a teen (assuming no previous history) knowing where a parent’s gun is at is part of the discussion or unexpected in the 2A community.
I feel for the families involved. I cannot fathom the loss of one of my children.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:19 am
by speedsix
...my youngest graduated last year...but I'd taught my three to do ANYTHING but sit and "wait their turn"...charge the BG with a chair, a desk, a backpack...get out a window and leave the school to a friend's house...I know that mine would never just sit there thinking..."am I next"...I told them my authority as their father trumped the school's rules about just hunkering down and hoping...if even the TEACHERS got some whatif training...it'd lessen the chances of so many getting hurt...but instead they're taught to hide and hope...baaaaa baaaaaa......
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:22 am
by Kythas
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:01 pm
by RPB
third died now
http://www.wqad.com/news/wqad-third-dea ... 7445.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and
and
GREEN, OH Green High School receives bomb threat, students evacuated - 19 Action News:
http://bit.ly/AgF0fq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and
WARREN, Texas (AP) Sheriff's deputies have taken a 12-year-old boy into custody after witnesses reported he pointed a loaded gun at a classmate standing in the lunch line at a rural junior high school in East Texas.
Tyler County Sheriff David Hennigan says the seventh-grader apparently objected to comments the student made about a female classmate. Hennigan says the .25-caliber pistol was loaded, but there was no bullet chambered.
Two coaches escorted the boy to the school office and held him for deputies. Hennigan says he has been placed in the juvenile detention center in adjacent Hardin County and will be charged with aggravated assault.
The incident happened in Warren, a community of about 750 residents in the Piney Woods, about 80 miles northeast of Houston. Warren Junior High's enrollment tops 1,200 students.
http://www.krgv.com/news/latest-texas-n ... ment-68825" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:03 pm
by jimlongley
goose wrote:jimlongley wrote:
Despite locks and hidden keys, I always had access to my father's guns, never underestimate a kid's powers of observation and persistence, so I guess it's just one of life's little miracles that I didn't do the same thing.
Jim, I am assuming that your “little miracles” involved knowing how to behave. I think that we have similar views.
My family had locks but the family knew where the keys were. Locks are for the bad guys/outside world. My sons know where my guns and keys are located. They know in a bad situation that after dad makes it to the defensive position at the top of the stairs, which gun(s) he might ask to have brought to him (from the locked safe).
My parents had the (unreasonable) expectation that the locks worked, and my grandfather's teachings were what, primarily, had the effect of staying my hand when speculating revenge against my tormentors, revenge is a dish best served cold.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:21 pm
by gringo pistolero
Who did he shoot? Were they bullies or random kids?
If he limited his shooting to the bullies, then I would give him the same sympathy I give to an abused wife who kills her abuser. In both cases the authorities failed to protect them. A bullied teen has even less ability to leave their abuser(s) than an adult victim of domestic violence.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:16 pm
by Heartland Patriot
Kythas wrote:Interesting quote here from one of the kids who witnessed the shooting:
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/02/2 ... s-unknown/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“We all got under the tables, which is what your [sic] supposed to do..."
Did I read that right? Our schools are training our children that in the event of an active shooting, they're to get under a table and wait to be executed?
Yes, you read correctly...that IS what is advocated. That is what many of the kids at VA Tech did, as the shooter came around and ended so many lives...precious little Goddard LOVES it, at least, he hates fighting back.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:21 pm
by Heartland Patriot
speedsix wrote:...my youngest graduated last year...but I'd taught my three to do ANYTHING but sit and "wait their turn"...charge the BG with a chair, a desk, a backpack...get out a window and leave the school to a friend's house...I know that mine would never just sit there thinking..."am I next"...I told them my authority as their father trumped the school's rules about just hunkering down and hoping...if even the TEACHERS got some whatif training...it'd lessen the chances of so many getting hurt...but instead they're taught to hide and hope...baaaaa baaaaaa......
Speed, that is about the same stuff I've tried to instill in my own kids. No one knows what they will do in a terrible situation until they are in it, but I'd sure rather that they TRIED and maybe succeeded, instead of just waiting...it just upsets me SO much thinking about all those generally healthy teens and twenty-somethings waiting for that VA Tech killer to end them...and the only man with any guts was a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself so some could go out of a window...I get crying mad thinking about it...it would seem he deserved a better end after surviving such horrors as a kid.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:25 pm
by tbrown
Heartland Patriot wrote:Speed, that is about the same stuff I've tried to instill in my own kids. No one knows what they will do in a terrible situation until they are in it, but I'd sure rather that they TRIED and maybe succeeded, instead of just waiting...it just upsets me SO much thinking about all those generally healthy teens and twenty-somethings waiting for that VA Tech killer to end them...and the only man with any guts was a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself so some could go out of a window...I get crying mad thinking about it...it would seem he deserved a better end after surviving such horrors as a kid.
Maybe at his age, and being unarmed, he thought a fitting end was to sacrifice himself to save several young people from being massacred.
What's really maddening is the Republican dominated Texas legislature heard stories like this, and heard stories of students and faculty being attacking in parking lots, and their CHOICE was to deny crime victims the most effective means to defend themselves from psycho killers and rapists and armed robbers.
Remember their CHOICE when we get to CHOOSE new legislators in November.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:35 pm
by rp_photo
philip964 wrote:They serve breakfast at high school?
I graduated HS in 1977, and I don't remember anyone having breakfast at school.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:41 pm
by philip964
Three dead two wounded. There has not been a lot of talk of him shooting many many times. I am wondering if the higher than you would expect kill to wounded ratio is due to his close proximity to his victims (all head shots).
He was at an alternative school, but returned to his former school to do the shooting. Some reports said he was not bullied. He shot at a rival to a girl he loved who broke up with him.
Allow teachers to CHL if they want to, only way this will stop.
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:44 pm
by tbrown
rp_photo wrote:philip964 wrote:They serve breakfast at high school?
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I graduated HS in 1977, and I don't remember anyone having breakfast at school.
Back then even poor people could afford the big boxes of oatmeal or flour and stuff to bake biscuits. Now they spend so much money on smart phones and air jordans and cable television and spinning rims that they can't feed their own kids
Re: School Shooting in Chardon, Ohio
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:45 pm
by Beiruty
What pistol he used? I heard it was a .22. A lot of damage with this little plinker round.