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Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:54 pm
by Stupid
jdhz28 wrote:I always wondered how it would play out...if we didn't willingly turn in our firearms. Would some entity go door to door seeking out and forcibly taking them? If so when they came to my house, I would assume my dogs would get maybe one, I think I may be able to get two or three before they got me. If everyone else thought this way, wouldn't they soon run out of people going door to door to confiscate them? I don't see that day playing out in my lifetime, nor do I see very many of our active law enforcement or military that would be willing to execute that task, so who would do it? The UN maybe? I like those guys, that pastel blue stands out really well and would make a very nice target against that red chevron. If, and I feel it is a big if, that day comes, it will be long into the future. I think now they will focus more on chipping away, via magazine capacity restrictions, types of actions available to civilians, and extreme tax on ammunition. So that when that day comes, it will be all that much easier.
Very simply and effectively. Nobody is going to go door to door. Here's how it will play out:
1. They pass the bill.
2. You refuse to register your guns - most of you will because you are law abiding. Only a fraction of people will refuse to register - I'll give it 2% at the high side.
3. They don't really care because a) they don't really know you have them and b) there's no need.
4. If one of you get caught for something silly and they find the guns you didn't register, it would instantly become international news and you would be completely demonized and punished for the world to see.
5. More of you will register again as a amnesty would be given.
By then, it is done.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:59 pm
by Stupid
AndyC wrote:Stupid wrote:While I do appreciate the tough talk, the history has proven that few if any would actually follow through their tough talks.
A little spat called the American Revolution is perhaps one small example of some that did.
No offense, we have lost that spirit a LONG time ago. Nowadays, people only care iPhones, football and Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction while enthusiastically giving up their own rights.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:09 pm
by jmra
When I read stuff like this I think about flight 93. The other flights had no idea what us going to happen because history said to cooperate.
The passengers of flight 93 were armed with information that others did not have. They knew that if they did nothing not only would they die but others would also. So, they took action.
Like flight 93, we know where this path leads. The question is what will we do? Will we stand up (even though we may not survive) in order to preserve our freedoms for our families and our offspring? Will we follow the example of our forefathers or will we follow the example of those who like sheep are sheared until they have nothing more to offer and are then led off to be slaughtered? Only time will tell.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:14 pm
by Gameover
Stupid wrote:jdhz28 wrote:I always wondered how it would play out...if we didn't willingly turn in our firearms. Would some entity go door to door seeking out and forcibly taking them? If so when they came to my house, I would assume my dogs would get maybe one, I think I may be able to get two or three before they got me. If everyone else thought this way, wouldn't they soon run out of people going door to door to confiscate them? I don't see that day playing out in my lifetime, nor do I see very many of our active law enforcement or military that would be willing to execute that task, so who would do it? The UN maybe? I like those guys, that pastel blue stands out really well and would make a very nice target against that red chevron. If, and I feel it is a big if, that day comes, it will be long into the future. I think now they will focus more on chipping away, via magazine capacity restrictions, types of actions available to civilians, and extreme tax on ammunition. So that when that day comes, it will be all that much easier.
Very simply and effectively. Nobody is going to go door to door. Here's how it will play out:
1. They pass the bill.
2. You refuse to register your guns - most of you will because you are law abiding. Only a fraction of people will refuse to register - I'll give it 2% at the high side.
3. They don't really care because a) they don't really know you have them and b) there's no need.
4. If one of you get caught for something silly and they find the guns you didn't register, it would instantly become international news and you would be completely demonized and punished for the world to see.
5. More of you will register again as a amnesty would be given.
By then, it is done.
I think you underestimate the American people. I will not register anything! If that makes me a criminal in the eyes of a tyrannical government then so be it. I believe many will stand, many will fall but WE will not cower in the face of evil!
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:21 pm
by jdhz28
It all boils down to where you draw your line...will you abide by a registration? a confiscation? will you be coerced? will you take the mark? (example). We are only remembered by our character and convictions. I wasn't blessed with money or great intelligence, but I was given was moral fortitude. I am very hard headed and it has been said before that when my mind is made up, nothing short of killing me will change my actions...I plan on remaining consistent in that aspect of my life.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:23 pm
by Poldark
Read or purchase a copy (if you can locate one on Amazon) of Thomas Chittum's,
Civil War two, The Coming Breakup of America. Written around 1996 and quite profound when read today, especially the 36 point check list at the end of the book.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:35 pm
by mr surveyor
Stupid wrote:AndyC wrote:Stupid wrote:While I do appreciate the tough talk, the history has proven that few if any would actually follow through their tough talks.
A little spat called the American Revolution is perhaps one small example of some that did.
No offense, we have lost that spirit a LONG time ago. Nowadays, people only care iPhones, football and Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction while enthusiastically giving up their own rights.
not in my house, or my circle of friends
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:55 pm
by jdhz28
mr surveyor wrote:Stupid wrote:AndyC wrote:Stupid wrote:While I do appreciate the tough talk, the history has proven that few if any would actually follow through their tough talks.
A little spat called the American Revolution is perhaps one small example of some that did.
No offense, we have lost that spirit a LONG time ago. Nowadays, people only care iPhones, football and Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction while enthusiastically giving up their own rights.
not in my house, or my circle of friends
I love the pessimistic people who think we talk bigger than we are or that our spirit has faltered. I could only hope my future enemies underestimate my resolve as well. My friends and I are in agreement with you mr surveyor. I moved out to the middle of nowhere simply because the schools for my son still say The Pledge of Allegiance, not only to the USA, but also to Texas everyday, and they do not leave out "Under God" My sons basketball coach is the preacher of the town church also, it's like Mayberry.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:59 pm
by VMI77
Stupid wrote:jdhz28 wrote:I always wondered how it would play out...if we didn't willingly turn in our firearms. Would some entity go door to door seeking out and forcibly taking them? If so when they came to my house, I would assume my dogs would get maybe one, I think I may be able to get two or three before they got me. If everyone else thought this way, wouldn't they soon run out of people going door to door to confiscate them? I don't see that day playing out in my lifetime, nor do I see very many of our active law enforcement or military that would be willing to execute that task, so who would do it? The UN maybe? I like those guys, that pastel blue stands out really well and would make a very nice target against that red chevron. If, and I feel it is a big if, that day comes, it will be long into the future. I think now they will focus more on chipping away, via magazine capacity restrictions, types of actions available to civilians, and extreme tax on ammunition. So that when that day comes, it will be all that much easier.
Very simply and effectively. Nobody is going to go door to door. Here's how it will play out:
1. They pass the bill.
2. You refuse to register your guns - most of you will because you are law abiding. Only a fraction of people will refuse to register - I'll give it 2% at the high side.
3. They don't really care because a) they don't really know you have them and b) there's no need.
4. If one of you get caught for something silly and they find the guns you didn't register, it would instantly become international news and you would be completely demonized and punished for the world to see.
5. More of you will register again as a amnesty would be given.
By then, it is done.
I don't have much faith in the American people, but I think many gun owners are not part of the regular herd. I think your 2% number is way low. Even in Canada, when registration came, it was estimated that 75% of the guns in private possession were not registered. I don't know how that translates into the percentage of gun owners, but it has to be a lot higher than 2%.
Also, unless the proposal changes, what I'm hearing now is that every mag of over 10 round capacity and every banned gun will have to be registered under the NFA at $200 a pop. You have 10 pmags, that means paying $2,000, just for the mags. Politics is one thing, the pocketbook is another. If that ridiculous requirement remains in the bill then virtually no one is going to register anything.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:07 pm
by VMI77
jdhz28 wrote:mr surveyor wrote:Stupid wrote:AndyC wrote:Stupid wrote:While I do appreciate the tough talk, the history has proven that few if any would actually follow through their tough talks.
A little spat called the American Revolution is perhaps one small example of some that did.
No offense, we have lost that spirit a LONG time ago. Nowadays, people only care iPhones, football and Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction while enthusiastically giving up their own rights.
not in my house, or my circle of friends
I love the pessimistic people who think we talk bigger than we are or that our spirit has faltered. I could only hope my future enemies underestimate my resolve as well. My friends and I are in agreement with you mr surveyor. I moved out to the middle of nowhere simply because the schools for my son still say The Pledge of Allegiance, not only to the USA, but also to Texas everyday, and they do not leave out "Under God" My sons basketball coach is the preacher of the town church also, it's like Mayberry.
I don't know where you're at, but I find West Texas to be like that. It feels like Texas used to feel to me some 40 years ago when I was in High School. But I find enormous differences all over the state between the large urban areas and the small towns.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:35 pm
by Bob in Big D
Stupid wrote:AndyC wrote:Stupid wrote:While I do appreciate the tough talk, the history has proven that few if any would actually follow through their tough talks.
A little spat called the American Revolution is perhaps one small example of some that did.
No offense, we have lost that spirit a LONG time ago. Nowadays, people only care iPhones, football and Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction while enthusiastically giving up their own rights.
No offense taken but I think you are overlooking all the vets just getting out of two wars. Your 2% number would equate to about 2,000,000 gun owners and about 6,000,000 guns.
One incident of the govt killing several gun owners would end up being a rallying cry for several million more "Rebels".
I think you and many others underestimate the American Spirit!
Btw I sold all my guns to PP's and darn I forgot to get their name and so forth.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:57 pm
by Lambda Force
Does anybody else remember what happened at a little church outside Waco almost 20 years ago?
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:01 pm
by sjfcontrol
Bob in Big D wrote:Stupid wrote:AndyC wrote:Stupid wrote:While I do appreciate the tough talk, the history has proven that few if any would actually follow through their tough talks.
A little spat called the American Revolution is perhaps one small example of some that did.
No offense, we have lost that spirit a LONG time ago. Nowadays, people only care iPhones, football and Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction while enthusiastically giving up their own rights.
No offense taken but I think you are overlooking all the vets just getting out of two wars. Your 2% number would equate to about 2,000,000 gun owners and about 6,000,000 guns.
One incident of the govt killing several gun owners would end up being a rallying cry for several million more "Rebels".
I think you and many others underestimate the American Spirit!
Btw I sold all my guns to PP's and darn I forgot to get their name and so forth.
When the gov't starts killing gun owners, the story will be that they were dangerous terrorists or lunatics with a gun, that were about to cause mayhem, and he was killed when the police went to arrest/stop him -- probably by his own hand.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:06 pm
by JALLEN
jdhz28 wrote:I always wondered how it would play out...if we didn't willingly turn in our firearms. Would some entity go door to door seeking out and forcibly taking them? If so when they came to my house, I would assume my dogs would get maybe one, I think I may be able to get two or three before they got me.
Now you know how Jim Bowie must have felt.
Re: The Next American Civil War
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:10 pm
by jdhz28
JALLEN wrote:jdhz28 wrote:I always wondered how it would play out...if we didn't willingly turn in our firearms. Would some entity go door to door seeking out and forcibly taking them? If so when they came to my house, I would assume my dogs would get maybe one, I think I may be able to get two or three before they got me.
Now you know how Jim Bowie must have felt.
Yes sir, but he had an option, we will not.