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TXBO wrote:The invasion from the north has little risk compared to the invasion from the south to the political climate in Texas.

Our so-called "leaders" have way underestimated if not ignored this truth. Mexico is, in fact, a very aggressive country (even among other latin American countries) and see Texas as belonging to them. This is their basic understanding whether it is your average nice polite yardman or the militant National Council of La Raza (the Race). They are taught matter-of-factly from birth that Texas, the Southwest if not the entire United States belongs to Mexico and they are going to take it over. This is discussed openly from casual everyday conversation to political floor/rally talk. (Much like Germany believed the entire land mass of Europe belonged to the German people because their ancestors and the French, Polish, etc. stole it from them)

But to your average governor/congressman/senator, this is a non-existent issue. Immigration, to them, is just about economics because, according to their Marxist propaganda, the United States have no culture and, if they do, they have no right to it because we are a "proposition nation" or "nation of immigrants." Our Marxist propaganda (aka Political Correctness) is going to get us killed.

Doug.38PR wrote:Mexico is, in fact, a very aggressive country (even among other latin American countries) and see Texas as belonging to them. This is their basic understanding whether it is your average nice polite yardman or the militant National Council of La Raza (the Race). They are taught matter-of-factly from birth that Texas, the Southwest if not the entire United States belongs to Mexico and they are going to take it over. This is discussed openly from casual everyday conversation to political floor/rally talk.

While, Mexicans may rightfully state that the Southwestern U.S. was historically Mexican, I must respectfully disagree with the idea that they, as a nation, are actively and openly plotting to take it over. Every Mexican immigrant that I have spoken to regarding coming to the U.S. says they came to get away from Mexico and to gain the freedom that we have here. It is not a geographic or historical issue, but rather a personal liberty/financial issue.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion though, inflammatory as it may be.

Search La Raza and Aztlan.

anygunanywhere wrote:Search La Raza and Aztlan.

I spoke about the nation as a whole. Those are two groups that hold that opinion, but to generalize that across all Mexicans is just ignorant. I think most everyone on this forum would agree that CSGV and MDA do not represent every American. It's the same scenario.

TVegas wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Search La Raza and Aztlan.

I spoke about the nation as a whole. Those are two groups that hold that opinion, but to generalize that across all Mexicans is just ignorant. I think most everyone on this forum would agree that CSGV and MDA do not represent every American. It's the same scenario.

Yes generalizations are not accurate and do not reflect EVERYONE in a group. That does not remove the fact that there is a goal of Mexican immigrants, both legal and illegal, to return the border states and more back to Mexico. Fact. I have worked in Mexico more than I care to remember and it is a fact. Mexico is a Marxist country and many BUT NOT ALL of those coming here hold true to that ideology and have no plans on assimilating. The La Raza movement and Aztlan are real.

TVegas wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Search La Raza and Aztlan.

I spoke about the nation as a whole. Those are two groups that hold that opinion, but to generalize that across all Mexicans is just ignorant. I think most everyone on this forum would agree that CSGV and MDA do not represent every American. It's the same scenario.

I would agree with that. I also think that the only way out of this mess - and it IS a mess - is to take both sides seriously. Until now, the administration has very deliberately and cynically refused to deal with border security, because.....and I am being frank here.....they know that this will ultimately add up to 12 million (or whatever the correct number of illegal immigrants is) new democrat voters to the rolls. That's just evil, because in every instance where the interests of citizens are being balanced against the interests of people who are here illegally, the government consistently ignores the citizens.......and that means citizens of all race and ethnic backgrounds—not just white males.

I am a libertarian (small "L") on a lot of issues, but I can't agree with the libertarian party's stance on immigration: http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration. The reason I can't agree is that I believe that in the end, it devalues what it means to be a citizen. Illegal immigrants create more problems than they solve for people who are here legally, including citizens, legal immigrants, and including legal hispanic immigrants.

I do think that the people who are already here have to be dealt with equitably. As much as my initial reaction is "throw them all out!", they are all creations of the same Creator who made me, and my sense is that God would frown on the abuse. But, Jesus also said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and that is plainly not being done by people who sneak across the border.

The EU has the "open borders" policy between its member states. I used to travel in Europe before the EU existed, and I've been there since. Just ONE of the problems with traveling to the EU from the US is that upon your return, the migra and customs can no longer track where you went, because once you've entered into a main port of entry - say Paris for example - there is no way for them to know if you subsequently went to Germany (a hotbed of radical islamist fundamentalism), or any other country (most of which are also infested with angry radical islamist fundamentalists). In a day and age where it is the openly stated purpose of groups like ISIS to infiltrate terrorists across our southern border, I want that border protected, libertarian ideals be hanged.

So, the way forward is NOT to simply open the border and allow free passage to anybody, at all times. No. The way forward is to streamline the process for obtaining legal entry visas and foreign resident visas, all to the goal of making it easier to come in legally but not anonymously, and then to be merciless about deporting those who won't even do that. As long as I am required to pay taxes - by force of arms if necessary - then I have a right to know who is benefitting from my taxes, and who is here illegally not paying any taxes. When the situation is out of control, then I have a right - which nobody here illegally has, nor should they have it - to demand accountability from my elected representatives (who represent ME, and not people who snuck in here) as to how that tax money is spent.

This is not about cultural or racial bias. Anybody who knows me or my family and circle of loved ones would laugh at the notion I am biased. It is simply about doing what is right......for citizens first, legal immigrants second, and illegal immigrants last. But I have to tell you that for the past 40 years, it seems like the reverse order of priorities has been the actual case, and under the Obama administration, because of their cynical manipulations, it has been the worst I've ever seen in my 60+ years. (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/39 ... onals-2009......at a time when American citizens couldn't get jobs.....)

It's not right. So:

1. Streamline the legal entry process and the visa residency process, to make it easier to come in legally.
2. Close the border. I mean lock it up tighter than a drum. Do everything possible to funnel new immigrants into legal ports of entry, and
3. staff those ports of entry to facilitate the administrative streamlining.
4. Entering immigrants to be issued a unique identifying card upon entry.
5. Set a deadline for all those already here to sign up, upon which they will be issued an ID card with a unique number. And lastly,
6. With few exceptions, deport anyone left after the deadline who cannot show an ID, or who shows a fraudulent ID.

"F" has to be done ruthlessly, or the whole thing collapses. These are not unreasonable expectations. The only barrier to implementation is the willingness of the modern administrative state to cooperate with the will of the people.

anygunanywhere wrote:

TVegas wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Search La Raza and Aztlan.

I spoke about the nation as a whole. Those are two groups that hold that opinion, but to generalize that across all Mexicans is just ignorant. I think most everyone on this forum would agree that CSGV and MDA do not represent every American. It's the same scenario.

Yes generalizations are not accurate and do not reflect EVERYONE in a group. That does not remove the fact that there is a goal of Mexican immigrants, both legal and illegal, to return the border states and more back to Mexico. Fact. I have worked in Mexico more than I care to remember and it is a fact. Mexico is a Marxist country and many BUT NOT ALL of those coming here hold true to that ideology and have no plans on assimilating. The La Raza movement and Aztlan are real.

Legal immigrants may have plans to assimilate, illegals for the most part have none. Most of them are uneducated and have distinctly third world values. Those from Mexico may be the least of our worries...much worse is coming from countries like Honduras and Guatemala. One visit to a public restroom at any major big box store in the RGV is enough to tell you that. It's not a racial issue, it's a cultural issue. I don't know what the numbers are one way or the other but it doesn't matter: at a time when a typical American child indoctrinated by the public school system doesn't understand the Constitution and what it means, we certainly don't need to be importing any number of third world residents who not only don't understand it, but oppose those elements of it that don't support their desire for a cradle to grave socialist nanny state.

Immigration meant something entirely different 100 years ago, when there was no WIC, EBT cards, welfare, and Obamacare. Illegal immigration is a slow national death by suicide.

We're safe! Obama is going to finally build a fence.........in space...... http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... ce/104364/

We can relax now. It's all going to be OK.

http://m.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Many if not most believe that we could not deport all of the illegals.

Think again. Eisenhower and his Attorney General did so back in 1954. Only 1075 Border Patrol deported hundreds of thousands of illegals. Many more left because of the roundup. Of course back then there was no court specifically put in place to ensure they were not deported. The government has designed this mess to ensure a steady flow of Marxist democrat voters.

anygunanywhere wrote:http://m.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
Many if not most believe that we could not deport all of the illegals.

Yeah, the majority of whom are no doubt the same ones who conversely believe that the government can confiscate guns from 90 million or so gun owners.