Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:38 pm
+1Skiprr wrote:Thanks for that update, ELB.
Fatastic update ELB!
Fatastic update ELB!
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Fatastic update ELB!
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:56 pm
Thanks for the update.
It shows once again that your attacker will likely have experience, as well as the element of surprise to gain the initiative.
It shows once again that your attacker will likely have experience, as well as the element of surprise to gain the initiative.
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:27 am
You know, that is well said. I can't believe never thought of it that way.airbornerangerboogie wrote:Give the BG what he wants...yeah, kinda like telling a woman not to fight a rapist to just give him what he wants and you'll be safe.
Also, actually the Kid had a good chance. The robber having his hand inside the car was a BIG MISTAKE on his part. Just goes to show that most criminals are not smart and don't think their plan through.
Good Shoot.
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:17 am
It appears to me that if a Law Enforcement "professional" is going to give advice like that to the public, they should practice (a lot) what they preach.neal6325 wrote:It would have been safer to hand over the keys and let the gunman drive off, Sheriff Harry Lee said Monday.
Does anyone in Law Enforcement really believe this? I sounds a lot like they are sending a message through the media to every crimal out there that Law Enforcment is there to help them victimize people.
And it appears that the situation is extremely complicated to those of this idealism that if someone, a civilian, sucessfully defends themselves, the investigation and paperwork is almost too much to endure for them.
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:01 am
Mr. Cotton was right on with his first post in this thread. And thanks ELB for the post as well.
I think "giving it up" is sending the wrong messages to society as a whole. Why should a person have to "give it up" to a criminal? Not to preach but a stand has to be taken and this type of mentality and needs to be corrected through education. It does nothing but put the good guys (that is us) at more risk. I see what led police depts, etc. to teach this but that line of thinking didnt not work. It only empowered the criminal element.
Now I am not saying that there might not be a circumstance where not letting someone take your wallet/money/car/whatever is the way out of danger. The situation and numerous other factors will have to determine the course of action one has to take. Everyone is different and every situation is different. But for me being told we need to "give it up" is NOT the main option we need to live by. That is insulting.
Funny fact, I was watching NYPD BLUE last week and there was an episode where Det. John Kelly was speaking at some neighborhood crime watch meeting. That is exactly what he said. I dont remember the exact phrasing but he said "In a crime, robbery, etc. what do you do? Give it up. Let them take it." Yea, I KNOW its only TV but I spit my soda out I was drinking! That is how much it disturbs be me to hear that nonsense! Well I guess its kinda true.......it is NY after all and we know how gun friendly that place is! ;) (and No offense meant to amyone from NY!)
I think "giving it up" is sending the wrong messages to society as a whole. Why should a person have to "give it up" to a criminal? Not to preach but a stand has to be taken and this type of mentality and needs to be corrected through education. It does nothing but put the good guys (that is us) at more risk. I see what led police depts, etc. to teach this but that line of thinking didnt not work. It only empowered the criminal element.
Now I am not saying that there might not be a circumstance where not letting someone take your wallet/money/car/whatever is the way out of danger. The situation and numerous other factors will have to determine the course of action one has to take. Everyone is different and every situation is different. But for me being told we need to "give it up" is NOT the main option we need to live by. That is insulting.
Funny fact, I was watching NYPD BLUE last week and there was an episode where Det. John Kelly was speaking at some neighborhood crime watch meeting. That is exactly what he said. I dont remember the exact phrasing but he said "In a crime, robbery, etc. what do you do? Give it up. Let them take it." Yea, I KNOW its only TV but I spit my soda out I was drinking! That is how much it disturbs be me to hear that nonsense! Well I guess its kinda true.......it is NY after all and we know how gun friendly that place is! ;) (and No offense meant to amyone from NY!)