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I've thought about this over the past few days, and I think this would be a great thing to add to the books in TX. Put some weight on putting up a 30.06 sign from the other end.

I'd rather revisit 30.06 in its entirety, but this seems like the next best thing. Let's do it!

Scott Farkus wrote:I'd rather revisit 30.06 in its entirety, but this seems like the next best thing. Let's do it!

This. I'd prefer to remove force of law for a 30.06 sign. But the business community will fight that. I'd rather eliminate a law rather than adding one. But, if the force of law can't be removed on 30.06, this would be my next choice. As has been said here, posting your business is akin to putting up a "wet floor" sign and taking no action to mitigate it after that. If a business posts AND takes some good faith effort to provide for the security of their customers, that's okay.

And it's true no one "forces" you to go into a place of business. But under our current system, businesses are considered "public accommodations". This will add some liability to businesses that post. But it would be fairly small. The incident rate of mass shootings is extremely low. Simple single shootings in the course of a robbery is higher. But in MOST communities, the likelihood is so low that the small level of added liability won't be a game changer. Especially for the insurers that encourage their clients to post.

XinTX wrote:

Scott Farkus wrote:I'd rather revisit 30.06 in its entirety, but this seems like the next best thing. Let's do it!

This. I'd prefer to remove force of law for a 30.06 sign. But the business community will fight that. I'd rather eliminate a law rather than adding one. But, if the force of law can't be removed on 30.06, this would be my next choice. As has been said here, posting your business is akin to putting up a "wet floor" sign and taking no action to mitigate it after that. If a business posts AND takes some good faith effort to provide for the security of their customers, that's okay.

And it's true no one "forces" you to go into a place of business. But under our current system, businesses are considered "public accommodations". This will add some liability to businesses that post. But it would be fairly small. The incident rate of mass shootings is extremely low. Simple single shootings in the course of a robbery is higher. But in MOST communities, the likelihood is so low that the small level of added liability won't be a game changer. Especially for the insurers that encourage their clients to post.

The Tennessee law doesn't limit liability to active shooter incidents only - it looks like it would apply to injuries sustained during an aggravated robbery, which is much more common.

Insurers work on probabilities of losses. Losses from not posting are nearly non-existent. Losses from robberies at convenience stores would be highly likely. The TN law is likely to be a game changer there.

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Excaliber wrote:

XinTX wrote:

Scott Farkus wrote:I'd rather revisit 30.06 in its entirety, but this seems like the next best thing. Let's do it!

But in MOST communities, the likelihood is so low that the small level of added liability won't be a game changer. Especially for the insurers that encourage their clients to post.

The Tennessee law doesn't limit liability to active shooter incidents only - it looks like it would apply to injuries sustained during an aggravated robbery, which is much more common.

Insurers work on probabilities of losses. Losses from not posting are nearly non-existent. Losses from robberies at convenience stores would be highly likely. The TN law is likely to be a game changer there.

True. But I said in MOST communities. And I wasn't thinking about aggravated robberies either. So I could see some signs at convenience stores coming down. Most in my area aren't posted. But I rarely use those any more so I haven't looked.

I don't fully agree with this law. But I see the principle. You can't just post a sign and absolve yourself of the consequences of having done so. You can't post a sing saying "We aren't responsible for damage due to XXXX" and then use that as cover to be careless in that area.