TexasCHLforum.com

03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:01 am

Paladin wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:45 am

oljames3 wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:58 pm

RSX11 wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:03 am

BLM protestors enter a restaurant and begins to taunt and get in the face of a young woman at a restaurant. He wants her to raise her fist and shout Black Lives Matter. She refuses

OK, she wasn't hurt, and that's good. And I don't figure anything like this is ever likely to happen in Texas...and that's good too. But if it happened to me, I'm not sure what the best strategy is. My first thought is to surreptitiously get my hand on my gun (under shirt, IWB) in case it turned physical. But I worry that it would further excite the Communists if this was noticed. What do y'all think is the right response to a situation like this?

Your pistol is the wrong tool. Texas Penal Code 9.31. (b)(1). https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/SOTW ... m/PE.9.htm

(b) The use of force against another is not justified:

(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;

Thus, no force would be justified in the situation depicted in the video. Feigned compliance and/or leaving are better choices.

"In case it turns physical," your pistol is still not a good option. While "production of a weapon" as a threat of deadly force can be legal (TPC 9.04) against mere force, what do you do if the threat fails?

Attorney Andrew Branca explains the law of self defense. https://lawofselfdefense.com/beginjourney/
On Thursdays, Branca conducts a Facebook LIVE "News/Q&A." See the page for the time. You can ask questions. https://www.facebook.com/LawofSelfDefense/

I think I understand your analysis here. To a third party this confrontation can appear to be a verbal provocation alone. I am wondering about the case where a victim stands up and actively seeks to leave the situation? We don't want to get in a fight if we can avoid it. Avoid the situation should be the first priority, correct? If the mob prevents the victim from leaving, that is unlawful restraint and initiation of force is it not? 100-on-1 is a disparate force, is it not? I would not pull a pistol unless I was justified in using it, but depending on the specific circumstances these mobs are creating extremely volatile situations.

When you bring up the 100 to 1 disparity it does make me think. How many will I get before they overwhelm me? The way they have that lady surrounded it appears that pulling a pistol to defend yourself could be futile. I still don't plan to go down without taking a few with me but it is not a situation one can fully expect to survive. I guess it just depends on how many scatter and if any of them close to you jump on you.

It is a very bad situation to find yourself in. Even armed.

Kyle Rittenhouse’s use of deadly defensive force in killing his attacker in the Parking Lot Confrontation and in killing one attacker and maiming another in the Street Confrontation was collectively, and to a reasonable degree of legal certainty, lawful uses of deadly defensive force, justified self-defense, and not criminal conduct.

oljames3 wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:00 pm Today, in the members only area of Law of Self Defense, attorney Andrew Branca presented a 1.5 hour analysis of the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting. He summarized by stating, in part:

Kyle Rittenhouse’s use of deadly defensive force in killing his attacker in the Parking Lot Confrontation and in killing one attacker and maiming another in the Street Confrontation was collectively, and to a reasonable degree of legal certainty, lawful uses of deadly defensive force, justified self-defense, and not criminal conduct.

On September 3, at 3pm Central, Branca will present a Facebook LIVE "News/Q&A" session at https://www.facebook.com/LawofSelfDefense/ You can ask questions.

Blackhorse1 wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:24 am 1 on 1 they're nothing. They are only tough when there's 15 of them. Bunch of hind sucking scumbags. They say I have my gang of 15 whatcha gonna do? I say, I brought my gang of 16, you just can't see them. Now the question is, whatcha YOU gonna do?

Blackhorse1 wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:24 am 1 on 1 they're nothing. They are only tough when there's 15 of them. Bunch of hind sucking scumbags. They say I have my gang of 15 whatcha gonna do? I say, I brought my gang of 16, you just can't see them. Now the question is, whatcha YOU gonna do?