Re: Protests - the next level?
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:37 pm
Wasn't handling it very well?
Looks like he handled it well enough.
Looks like he handled it well enough.
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https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFEstrogg wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:46 pmI'm not doubting that part. But did the kid use force to provoke the protester before the start of the video? That's what I'm getting at. Time in this universe didn't start when the video started. Things may have transpired before that. If the kid was the initial aggressor, then self defense is out the window. I am in no way condoning the guilt of the kid. In all honesty, I hope he didn't start the altercation. But I can't say he's not guilty of the accused crimes until I am certain of the whole story.RoyGBiv wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:32 pmThere is clear video evidence showing the kid running away, a gunshot (not his) and the guy following him throwing something at him ....strogg wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:44 pmI think they're trying to defeat the self defense argument by saying the kid intended to incite trouble. Traveling 20 miles across state lines with a rifle may give that impression to some people. It's a whole lotta nothing at this point, but unfortunately, when you add up a whole lotta nothing, some people see a valid argument rather than an empty basket.AndyC wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:20 pm Just out of curiosity, I did a little digging:
Gaige P Grosskreutz - Milwaukee, WI - 40 miles from Kenosha (Bicep blowout guy)
Anthony Huber - Silver Lake, Wi - 20 miles from Kenosha (Skateboard guy)
Joseph Rosenbaum - Kenosha, WI (Headshot guy)
Kyle Rittenhouse - Antioch, IL - 21 miles from Kenosha
I'm not sure what the relevance is regarding distance traveled - but apparently it matters to those on the Left, so there you have it for perspective.
Regardless, this case is not as clear cut as it may seem. As far as I know, there's no video evidence that shows how the altercations first started. We are only assuming that it started when the protester fired his first shot. We don't know what happened before that. We don't know for sure who showed a use of force first. I believe it's for that reason the kid is being charged. If he can prove that the protesters were the initial forceful aggressors, then the case will die in court. We will see.
Osterweil utilizes many types of logical fallicies in that interview. Am I to conclude that she is OK with looters taking her books without paying and protestors burning the publisher's facilities?philip964 wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:56 am https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... of-looting
NPR - in defense of rioting
Maybe he just wasn't "operator" enough for the guy?
There have been more videos released that show the object thrown better. The guy through something, but it wasn't flaming. It was a plastic bag and the reflections of it fluttering made it look like a fire. I do not know what was inside the plastic bag and have not found any sources saying what it was. Clearly there was some type of weight in the bag to get it through the air. This does not disprove it was a liquid with a lit fuse in it, but a plastic bag won't burst and spread the fuel like a Molotov Cocktail.crazy2medic wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:47 pm There is clear video evidence showing the kid running away, a gunshot (not his) and the guy following him throwing something at him
A Flaming something !