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sjfcontrol wrote:

boba wrote:

RCP wrote:Romney will never get my vote either, not in the Primary or in the General. I sincerely believe that nothing would change under Romney (at least not for the better).

I'm voting for a pro gun fiscal conservative in November 2012. If the Republican ticket has someone like that, I will vote for the Republican candidate. If not, they don't want my vote, and I can vote for a third party candidate with a clear conscience.

One would hope that even Romney would nominate different judges to the Supreme Court than Obama. Remember, we're only ahead by a single vote there. If a vote for a third party candidate allows Obama to win a second term, you can probably kiss the Supremes goodbye.

Does the Mass gov get to appoint judges? What sort of judges did he put on the bench there?

Edit: From a brief search, the headlines I'm seeing are that 9 out of his 36 appointments have been republican judges? (and a republican in mass is obviously a pretty liberal person still).

So, how is this the guy who deserves my vote again?

74novaman wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

boba wrote:

RCP wrote:Romney will never get my vote either, not in the Primary or in the General. I sincerely believe that nothing would change under Romney (at least not for the better).

I'm voting for a pro gun fiscal conservative in November 2012. If the Republican ticket has someone like that, I will vote for the Republican candidate. If not, they don't want my vote, and I can vote for a third party candidate with a clear conscience.

One would hope that even Romney would nominate different judges to the Supreme Court than Obama. Remember, we're only ahead by a single vote there. If a vote for a third party candidate allows Obama to win a second term, you can probably kiss the Supremes goodbye.

Does the Mass gov get to appoint judges? What sort of judges did he put on the bench there?

Edit: From a brief search, the headlines I'm seeing are that 9 out of his 36 appointments have been republican judges? (and a republican in mass is obviously a pretty liberal person still).

So, how is this the guy who deserves my vote again?

And exactly how many of Obama's have been Republican?

And I didn't say he "deserved" your vote, only that he'd be better than Obama.

Sorry, i'll stay home if Romney gets the nod. Perhaps, rather than focusing anger on people who refuse to vote for big government neocons whose only difference from the democrats is which rights they would trample first and which croneys they reward under the table, your frustration should be with the old guard in the republican party that puts these jokers up.

Ditto for the last election. Rather than blaming those who stayed home for Obama's win, perhaps the party should be blamed for running "more of the same" when it was pretty apperarent that wasn't what americans wanted.

so, all of you who say that you will stay home rather than vote for Romney, what are you doing in order to prevent it? anything? or are you just complaining?

I find it very hard to understand the logic behind those (so-called) conservatives that would rather see Obama get re-elected than vote for Romney, if those are the two choices available.

On the other hand, I fully understand those who work to get somebody other than Romney nominated. But once that process is complete and the candidate is selected, anybody who considers himself a conservative, or concerned about 2nd amendment rights -- should rally behind that candidate (whoever it is) in the fight against Obama.

Remember: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

SewTexas wrote:so, all of you who say that you will stay home rather than vote for Romney, what are you doing in order to prevent it? anything? or are you just complaining?

Donating money to actual conservative candidates, plan on voting in the primaries. I'm not just complaining...far from it. (and not to mention trying to convince others (like those on this board) to vote for someone else in the primaries )

sjfcontrol wrote:I find it very hard to understand the logic behind those (so-called) conservatives that would rather see Obama get re-elected than vote for Romney, if those are the two choices available.

Here is why. I genuinely think Romney will NOT repeal Obamacare, will NOT appoint conservative judges (at best we'll get more lukewarm, wishy washy types), will NOT do the hard cutting that needs to be done. Romney is a politician first and foremost. When its time to make the serious cuts needed to our bloated govt, he does not have the guts to do it. So, if we elect him, we get more of the failed policies we got under Obama, only now they can blame it on someone with an R behind the name. If we're going to get more of the same, why not let the democrat party take the blame they so rightly deserve for this total mess? (starting with the New Deal, not just under Obama)

sjfcontrol wrote:On the other hand, I fully understand those who work to get somebody other than Romney nominated.

Like I replied to Tracy, I'm doing that. Talking to people, donating money, voting in the primaries.

sjccontrol wrote: Remember: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I think it'll be more of the same with this guy. So I'm not seeing an enemy of my enemy, I'm seeing 2 enemies.

Just keep in mind that if Obama gets reelected, nothing will stop him. He will do what he wants, because he will no longer care what anyone thinks. He's worse than Carter now and will be worse than Obama 1st term. Thats why we say anyone but Obama.

74novaman wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:I find it very hard to understand the logic behind those (so-called) conservatives that would rather see Obama get re-elected than vote for Romney, if those are the two choices available.

Here is why. I genuinely think Romney will NOT repeal Obamacare, will NOT appoint conservative judges (at best we'll get more lukewarm, wishy washy types), will NOT do the hard cutting that needs to be done. Romney is a politician first and foremost. When its time to make the serious cuts needed to our bloated govt, he does not have the guts to do it. So, if we elect him, we get more of the failed policies we got under Obama, only now they can blame it on someone with an R behind the name. If we're going to get more of the same, why not let the democrat party take the blame they so rightly deserve for this total mess? (starting with the New Deal, not just under Obama)

To which I reply...

IF re-elected, I KNOW obama will not repeal Obamacare, WILL appoint liberal, anti-gun judges such as Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, will do NO cutting, WILL raise taxes, and WILL expand spending. I also know as a 2nd term president, he'll have nothing stopping him.

Think of it as the lesser of two evils, if you must. But the bottom-line goal is to dump Obama. I'm not pro-Romney, I'm simply anti-Obama. You cannot seriously think a Romney presidency would be the equivalent of another Obama term.

Ditto for donating, talking, and voting in the primaries. I've done the first two. Just waiting on the third.

We who refuse to vote for Romney are not the problem. The Republican party and party elite that hold the Tea Party, the constitution, and the working class in contempt and keep trying to serve up a platter of steaming poo. I took a big bite and voted for Baby Bush and Daddy Bush. Forgive me if I refuse to take another big bite.

If people aren't buying what you're selling, you can waste time blaming the lost customer, or figure out what's wrong with what you're selling and fix it.

The biggest differences I see between Romney and Obama are skin color and religion. Policy wise they are close enough to be runningmates.

punkndisorderly wrote:...yada, yada, yada, perhaps the party should be blamed for running "more of the same" when it was pretty apperarent that wasn't what americans wanted.

BINGO! Give the man a cigar, Bill. We have a winner.

This is why Democrats win elections -- Once the democratic candidate is selected, all the Demo's stand behind him. As I recall, even Hillary endorsed Obama. (And I bet THOSE words left a very special flavor in her mouth!)

But those of us on the other side are too good to stand behind their candidate.

I fear for this nation if Obama wins another term.

RPB wrote:Mitt's Greatest Hits
(on lots of issues; including guns)
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So who is this guy Romney?

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Love it.

Kind of sums up my problems with electing someone like Romney, or McCain, or the "compassionate conservatives" like the Bush family.

We're going left. We know its the wrong direction thanks to history (Soviet Union, Cambodia, et al). And even the republicans of late seem to protest not so much the DIRECTION, but the SPEED.

Yes, you're right that you can guarantee Obama will be worse than Romney. But to me, he'll only manage to be worse by a little bit because we should be able to put enough Republicans in the congress to counter any shenanigans. The difference between them is a measure of SPEED, not DIRECTION. So IF Obama wins, the blame for the failure of his policies cannot be dumped at the feet of another republican but can rest where they rightly belong.

This way, a TRUE conservative can run in 2016, and maybe we can FINALLY turn to the right.

Of course, the easiest way to avoid all that mess is to vote for someone other than Romney who will actually take this country off its leftward path. I'm not sure if that's Perry, or Cain, or who yet...

but I can guarantee Mitt's not the man for the job. He's a poll following type of guy who does just enough to get elected, and then reelected. He does not have the guts to stand up and say what needs to be said. Democrat ideas and policies since the new deal have been an absolute failure, have created a parasitic, perpetual welfare class in America and more spending is NOT the answer. Can you see those words coming out of Mitts mouth? yeah, me either....