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zigzag wrote:Looks like Mr Keller will have to ride the ride . He needs to be more cautious now. His license can be revoke by the State to set an example to others, that is, lay aside your personal politics of the day .

I'm not going to get into the instructor's comments, but qualifications for obtaining an instructor certificate are the same for getting a CHL. The only legal grounds to suspend or revoke a CHL or Certificate are those set out in the Government Code sections dealing with eligibility. There is no more discretion in issuing or revoking an instructor's certificate than there is a CHL, and as CHL holders, we don't want it to be any different. Until and unless the instructor is convicted of a disqualifying criminal act, I see no grounds to revoke his certificate.

Chas.

Thank you Charles. Finally someone posting with logic. Mr. Keller's ad may have been in poor taste but at this time he has not been charged or convicted of anything. I'm finding it amazing how quickly people are willing to evoke penalties just for poor judgement and bad taste. Most every one of us has been guilty of that at one time or another. We just didn't broadcast it on the radio.

Post by Commander Cody » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:21 am
Let us get “Real”, can you honestly profile?

Everyone here hopefully profiles whether they like to admit it or not. Unless you wander around in condition white and never pay attention you are profiling when you go from yellow to orange. If you see a group that make you decide to use the other side of the street, you are profiling. You stay out of a certain part of town, you are profiling. If you believe most democrat politicians from Kalifornia and Taxsachusetts are anti gun, you are profiling.

Whether profiling is right or wrong comes down to how you use it.

I profile all of the time, with blacks, whites, and everyone else. I walk into a patient's room and I take note of their color and nationality. I include that information in my dictated History and Physical. You see, you do have to profile in my profession. For instance, I know a 50 year-old white male, with a large abdomen, is going to be quite likely to have hypertension, high-cholesterol, and be at least a pre-diabetic. I know the same male, African-American, is going to have the same problems, and the blood pressure medications I may prescribe for him will not work as well as for the first patient. So, I take his race into consideration because I know to do this. I know that female from the Greece, with anemia, is more likely to have the type of anemia known as Thallasemia...I know this because I profiled her.

As a previous poster noted, we train ourselves to walk away from certain situations, to avoid certain people, because our radar starts to tingle...profile.

It really is all in how you use it, and how PC you feel humans need to be anymore.

RJ

I will allow any good looking lebanese woman in my class anytime.lol

I've got to say that equating racist comments with profiling is absurd. Just because "everyone" does it doesn't make it right. Yes, people have biases but that doesn't justify broadcasting them. Also politically charges comments are totally unnecessary. Mr. Keller may not be guilty of breaking a specific law but someone who goes out of his/her way to divide groups of people is dangerous.

wharvey wrote:Thank you Charles. Finally someone posting with logic. Mr. Keller's ad may have been in poor taste but at this time he has not been charged or convicted of anything. I'm finding it amazing how quickly people are willing to evoke penalties just for poor judgement and bad taste. Most every one of us has been guilty of that at one time or another. We just didn't broadcast it on the radio.

Post by Commander Cody » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:21 am
Let us get “Real”, can you honestly profile?

Everyone here hopefully profiles whether they like to admit it or not. Unless you wander around in condition white and never pay attention you are profiling when you go from yellow to orange. If you see a group that make you decide to use the other side of the street, you are profiling. You stay out of a certain part of town, you are profiling. If you believe most democrat politicians from Kalifornia and Taxsachusetts are anti gun, you are profiling.

Whether profiling is right or wrong comes down to how you use it.

alvins wrote:I will allow any good looking lebanese woman in my class anytime.lol

Agree, but wasn't there once a guy named Samson that made a similar mistake.

My only comment is...

It amazes me that a group of people so quick to defend the 2nd amendment -- would so quickly abandon the 1st.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

zigzag wrote:Looks like Mr Keller will have to ride the ride . He needs to be more cautious now. His license can be revoke by the State to set an example to others, that is, lay aside your personal politics of the day .

I'm not going to get into the instructor's comments, but qualifications for obtaining an instructor certificate are the same for getting a CHL. The only legal grounds to suspend or revoke a CHL or Certificate are those set out in the Government Code sections dealing with eligibility. There is no more discretion in issuing or revoking an instructor's certificate than there is a CHL, and as CHL holders, we don't want it to be any different. Until and unless the instructor is convicted of a disqualifying criminal act, I see no grounds to revoke his certificate.

Chas.

Isn't one of the potential reasons for having one's CHL revoked/suspended being incapable of demonstrating/exercising sound judgment? Just sayin'!


... And please. Someone. Argue that publicly airing discriminatory remarks is a mark of sound judgment. I'm looking forward to hearing the logic behind that.

WSimons wrote:Isn't one of the potential reasons for having one's CHL revoked/suspended being incapable of demonstrating/exercising sound judgment? Just sayin'!

The entire requirement is "is not incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun;" (GC 411.172(a)(7)). Nothing in his comments indicates that he lacks this.

sjfcontrol wrote:My only comment is...

It amazes me that a group of people so quick to defend the 2nd amendment -- would so quickly abandon the 1st.

bayouhazard wrote:

wconn33 wrote:As I said over on TGT he can say whatever he wants, it is what he does that matters.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

If that's true he can post signs saying blacks aren't allowed in his store as long as he doesn't enforce the rule? And if no blacks come in then he's not breaking the law because he didn't refuse service based on race?

I don't think that's correct but IANAL.

sjfcontrol

So you agree "he can post signs saying blacks aren't allowed in his store as long as he doesn't enforce the rule? And if no blacks come in then he's not breaking the law because he didn't refuse service based on race”?

Just like the 2nd amendment, there are limits on the 1st. It would not be a good idea to walk around with a gun in your hand and lay it on the table in a restaurant because the 2nd guarantees you the “right to keep and bear arms”. It would also not be a good idea to stand on the street corner shouting racial slurs at every non Caucasian that passes by.

I have an idea that Mr. Keller was trying to demonstrate his patriotism but chose a poor way to do so. That does not excuse his statements.

If he recognizes and publicly admits his error it should be dropped. If not, it should be explained to him in a manner he will understand.

MasterOfNone wrote:

WSimons wrote:Isn't one of the potential reasons for having one's CHL revoked/suspended being incapable of demonstrating/exercising sound judgment? Just sayin'!

The entire requirement is "is not incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun;" (GC 411.172(a)(7)). Nothing in his comments indicates that he lacks this.

And you mean to tell me that having poor judgment elsewhere doesn't jeopardize your eligibility to get/keep your CHL?

I believe there is a side to this that hasn’t been brought up.

I really would hate for the gun grabbers to find out about Crockett Keller’s statement. It would reinforce the stereotype some people promote of CHL holders and gun owners in general.

They could have a field day with it. What did Obama say about “guns & Bibles”.

Mr Keller boasted by even saying, I have no shame .....blah blah blah. The man is crossing the line , the line that he should nt had said. He can do so in private but airing it to a wider public audience, he is inviting unintended responses. So even if he hadnt commit a crime bec no deed was done, he still has to ride the ride.
Some reports said Mr Keller likes to say outlandish things to attract attention, typical of a real estate agent and car salesman. He knew he will get attention so let him have it.

This country has gone a long ways to rout racism and discrimination in its purist forms since its founding. And hearing stuff like this do reminds us to stop it or we will go back to the old days.

The irony of all of this is that everyone on both sides of this issue has the RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, a right which we so quickly give away in this great country of ours.

Some want to take him down for exercising his right, others defend his use. But it's YOUR first amendment right...the same right he has, that allow you to even voice your opinion, wherever you may stand. And, it gives him HIS right to say it, regardless of ignorance or reason.

Some of you want to limit what he can say? Where does that line get drawn? Based on your opinion? Mine? Those on the left? Those on the right? Do you see the waters you are wading into?

Where do I land?

Evelyn Beatrice Hall, writing about Voltaire said it best: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

I once asked a criminal defense attorney how he defend some of his clients. His response? "Because I believe in our constitution, and the law". Get it?

Common sense people.