TexasCHLforum.com

03Lightningrocks wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Say what you will but this is 100% brought on by the OC radicals who carry long guns openly in places they do not belong. I truly believe it is their intention to do this as they perceive concealed carry permit holders as the enemy.

I don't think I understand. Where were the long guns carried that they did not belong? Is there a law that says they did not belong? Are the areas posted? How does one determine where a legally carried firearm does not belong? Who gets to say where they do or do not belong? You? Me? Our opinions may differ greatly.

I may not agree with the tactics used, but if they were not doing something illegal, then they had a right to do it. Similar to the minority that stood up to Colonel Smith at that bridge, who were denounced as rabble and accused of making things worse for peaceful citizens, it might just be that these guys are the ones that set the wheels in motion to correct the wrongs forced upon us by our government, and they were doing something illegal.

I think you understand but it suites your purposes to feign ignorance on the issue. I'll tell you something else that it seems nobody has said yet. If you really are of the mindset that a guy walking into the isle of the Home Depot you work at with an AR15, in PLANO TEXAS!, where nobody has any reason to be doing such a thing, I pray for your sake the guy is a bad shot.

Nope, and now I understand even less, because someone carrying a long gun in a non-threatening manner is not a threat, no matter where they are carrying, even in a Home Depot that I DON'T WORK AT in Plano TX. You make a very poor case.

jimlongley wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Say what you will but this is 100% brought on by the OC radicals who carry long guns openly in places they do not belong. I truly believe it is their intention to do this as they perceive concealed carry permit holders as the enemy.

I don't think I understand. Where were the long guns carried that they did not belong? Is there a law that says they did not belong? Are the areas posted? How does one determine where a legally carried firearm does not belong? Who gets to say where they do or do not belong? You? Me? Our opinions may differ greatly.

I may not agree with the tactics used, but if they were not doing something illegal, then they had a right to do it. Similar to the minority that stood up to Colonel Smith at that bridge, who were denounced as rabble and accused of making things worse for peaceful citizens, it might just be that these guys are the ones that set the wheels in motion to correct the wrongs forced upon us by our government, and they were doing something illegal.

I think you understand but it suites your purposes to feign ignorance on the issue. I'll tell you something else that it seems nobody has said yet. If you really are of the mindset that a guy walking into the isle of the Home Depot you work at with an AR15, in PLANO TEXAS!, where nobody has any reason to be doing such a thing, I pray for your sake the guy is a bad shot.

Nope, and now I understand even less, because someone carrying a long gun in a non-threatening manner is not a threat, no matter where they are carrying, even in a Home Depot that I DON'T WORK AT in Plano TX. You make a very poor case.

No matter which home depot, I think you are still taking one heck of a risk in being the first one shot down if you are not brought to awareness by a person carrying an AR15 into any Home Depot.

If you look at the results, carrying AR15's into public places as a form of protest, have all been negative. I don't need to make a "case". The case has already been made. The evidence that this method is failing is in 30.06 signage popping up in the mall, Starbucks taking down the welcome sign for firearms, and negative articles, such as the one we are addressing in this thread, being published in major news outlets.

I would like to see open carry pass. The "in your face" methods have proven to be arbitrary to that. This is about winning the hearts and minds of enough people to turn public opinion in favor of open carry. The evidence to date shows terrorizing the public is not working. It is doing far more damage than just preventing open carry. These tactics are now threatening concealed carry as well.

Edited in an attempt to be less argumentative.

News Flash:
There are enough OC threads y'all can take over. Take this one back to topic and move along.

At least one of the other moderators thought is was according to the fourth post.

From the article.

In Texas, people are free to bring guns into private businesses, such as loaded long guns (no permit required) or concealed handguns (for permit holders).

I apologize if my comment was respectful or uncivil. I can assure you it wasn't intended that way. I was just pointing out that it does involve open carry as the author of the article mentioned the carry of long guns in businesses and Keith picked up on it as well.

I will admit that mine and Jim's posts to each other are getting a bit "edgy" and promise I will put a stop to my part in it. but I really did think we were on topic.

carlson1 wrote:News Flash:
There are enough OC threads y'all can take over. Take this one back to topic and move along.

Hear! Hear!

From the article, this is not about OC.

As a close-to-home example, in 2012 a 72-year-old grandmother was dining in a Kingwood restaurant when she was shot after a pistol fell out of a nearby careless patron's coat pocket. Her seven surgeries cost more than $400,000.

It's also about people losing their tempers like some of the prolific posters in this thread.

Similarly, recently in a crowded Dade City, Fla. movie theater, an argument between two moviegoers over texting resulted in the shooting death of one of the men.

OC has nothing to do with 30.06 no matter how much finger pointing the real troublemakers do.

Here is the original post.

sjfcontrol wrote:Moms Demand Action article regarding 30.06 signage. Make sure you've taken your blood pressure medicine before reading…

http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/ar ... 232690.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you want to argue and continue to be disrespectful you can do it through PM's not on the open Forum. I do not want to lock a good thread because a couple of members cannot be civil.

As I stated above when someone suggested to start another thread about OC is that we have enough OC threads you can jump on without starting another and without hijacking this one so stop.

Russell wrote:As an aside, that article did drive a bit of traffic to my site. It also resulted in an increase in support tickets getting opened by clueless business owners asking for me to send them a 30.06 sign

I always respond with something along the lines of all they would accomplish by doing that is discriminating against their most law-abiding customers, criminals by their very definition care very little about signs. Unsurprisingly I never get a response back.

That is classic! Please send me a 30.06 sign. I would like extras for my friends if you can spare them.

Russell wrote:As an aside, that article did drive a bit of traffic to my site. It also resulted in an increase in support tickets getting opened by clueless business owners asking for me to send them a 30.06 sign

I always respond with something along the lines of all they would accomplish by doing that is discriminating against their most law-abiding customers, criminals by their very definition care very little about signs. Unsurprisingly I never get a response back.

I think I would have a hard time not replying with a PDF of an invalid 30.06 sign. Perhaps the old VCS language at 75% scale.

apostate wrote:

Russell wrote:As an aside, that article did drive a bit of traffic to my site. It also resulted in an increase in support tickets getting opened by clueless business owners asking for me to send them a 30.06 sign

I always respond with something along the lines of all they would accomplish by doing that is discriminating against their most law-abiding customers, criminals by their very definition care very little about signs. Unsurprisingly I never get a response back.

I think I would have a hard time not replying with a PDF of an invalid 30.06 sign. Perhaps the old VCS language at 75% scale.

Or quote them a price of several thousand dollars.

jmra wrote:

apostate wrote:

Russell wrote:As an aside, that article did drive a bit of traffic to my site. It also resulted in an increase in support tickets getting opened by clueless business owners asking for me to send them a 30.06 sign

I always respond with something along the lines of all they would accomplish by doing that is discriminating against their most law-abiding customers, criminals by their very definition care very little about signs. Unsurprisingly I never get a response back.

I think I would have a hard time not replying with a PDF of an invalid 30.06 sign. Perhaps the old VCS language at 75% scale.

Or quote them a price of several thousand dollars.

Then some ding dong will send the several thousand dollars and before we know it, Russell has decided to go into the 30.06 sign business.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

jmra wrote:Or quote them a price of several thousand dollars.

Then some ding dong will send the several thousand dollars and before we know it, Russell has decided to go into the 30.06 sign business.

Hey, if they are bound to do it anyway, even I would provide them one for 'several' thousand dollars. With that kind of money I can afford to shop anywhere else.

Russell wrote:As an aside, that article did drive a bit of traffic to my site. It also resulted in an increase in support tickets getting opened by clueless business owners asking for me to send them a 30.06 sign.

Just as I feared. Anyone still doubt that the in-your-face tactics to support open-carry hurt not only open-carry but concealed-carry as well?

Chas.