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OK...... the first dead guy on the ground near the curb. The second dead guy just pulled out of the vehicle a few minutes ago. A third suspect appears to have barricaded himself in a home (sometimes used as a church) about a 1/2 mile down the street.

Still an active scene.

Also what is not clear is: was it three gunmen and a driver, or is the driver one of the three gunmen? Police are not clear whether they have now accounted for all three (the 2 dead guys and the barricaded man), or are they still looking for a 4th?

Supposed to be a press conference or briefing or somesuch at 6:45 CST

Glenn Willwerth is a witness on Fox News that said his office faces the building of the original shooting. He says someone came in looking for shelter and he locked his building down and "armed himself." He is one of the witnesses who gave the description of the SUV. One smart man.

I'll point out a very important fact that will soon be lost with the anti gunner rhetoric. The single eyewitness (Glenn Willwerth) mentioned above who pointed out the black SUV was armed, and went outside to protect his employees. He didn't fire however, there was no clear target. He would have been limited though with the small magazine capacity, and evidently needed to retrieve the weapon first.

Whoever pulled the fire alarm should not have done that, but it could have been one of the perps.

Looks like news conference should start any minute

3rd suspect is possibly female.
- Fox news (bill oreily)

News confrence update-
2 dead suspects near vehicle

1 male, 1 female. (both are dead)

3rd detained, but may not be involved

Both wearing military style clothing

Hilary Clinton tweeted shortly after about gun control. I thought for sure that California's extended background checks and wait times along with bullet buttons with 10 round mag limits was supposed to prevent this.

Killer's selfie:

Statement by CAIR

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations has condemned the shooting and said they will be holding a press conference Wednesday night along with a relative of one of the suspect’s named by the media.

“We condemn this horrific and revolting attack and offer our heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of all those killed or injured,” CAIR-LA Executive Director Hussam Ayloush said in a statement. “The Muslim community stands shoulder to shoulder with our fellow Americans in repudiating any twisted mindset that would claim to justify such sickening acts of violence.” "

I think this is another moon landing. Not sure the motivation, but clearly much of this is faked. Want proof?

1. They said the shooter had a muslim name. Islam is the religion of peace. No muslim would do this. Didn't happen.
2. News reports said they used AKs. 10+ round mags are illegal in California. Couldn't have had AKs.
3. CA has strict gun laws. We all know strict gun laws save lives. Ergo, something like this couldn't have happened in CA. Likewise, France has extremely strict gun laws and we all know gun violence is inversely proportional to the amount of gun laws. More gun laws = fewer gun deaths.
4. Donald Trump, Fox, and the GOP are notorious for fabricating stories to make democrats look bad such as deleting Hillary's emails, tricking Obama into calling ISIS the JV, etc. Anyone seen Bush recently? Maybe we can just blame him.
5. ISIS is contained.

Keep watching. This story will unravel.

After reading through the posts on here, I will say this. I heard the police briefing just a bit ago. The spokesman (the Chief?) said that police response time was only 4 minutes from the first 9-1-1 call. That sounds like a very decent response time, and I believe the police did their utmost to get there in an expedient manner. Also, they were able to track and end those killers without any additional injury or death to folks living there, to the best of my knowledge. However, the old expression held as true as it could in this case: "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away". That is no dig at the police in the slightest; they did their best. However, they simply cannot be everywhere trouble may happen, it's impossible. The best defense is an armed defense by the citizenry. This was a tragically horrible event, I am glad the murderers were stopped, but I wish that someone had been able to do something when the whole thing started. I really do feel bad for the families and friends of those lost and injured.

K.Mooneyham wrote:After reading through the posts on here, I will say this. I heard the police briefing just a bit ago. The spokesman (the Chief?) said that police response time was only 4 minutes from the first 9-1-1 call. That sounds like a very decent response time, and I believe the police did their utmost to get there in an expedient manner. Also, they were able to track and end those killers without any additional injury or death to folks living there, to the best of my knowledge. However, the old expression held as true as it could in this case: "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away". That is no dig at the police in the slightest; they did their best. However, they simply cannot be everywhere trouble may happen, it's impossible. The best defense is an armed defense by the citizenry. This was a tragically horrible event, I am glad the murderers were stopped, but I wish that someone had been able to do something when the whole thing started. I really do feel bad for the families and friends of those lost and injured.

Everything you said. Times two.

I heard the whole shooting was over in 30 seconds. It's not possible to have the cops respond that fast. Not even if they were inspired by Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi. The ONLY thing that would have stopped that would be someone at the scene with a gun. In a sad sort of way, we can blame CA legislature for these deaths. Maybe if they made a law restricting mags to just 5 rounds, this tragedy wouldn't have happened.

Liberal Media is re-spinning their tune from the overly reported militia theory to workplace violence and maybe terrorism. Syed Rizwan Farook 28, and Tashfeen Malik 27 were both killed. Good, they were killed about a day late, maybe 28 years late. Nothing to see here CAIR and family says they are all shocked. Yeah I agree, everyone is shocked. Barrack Hussein Obama may have spoke too early about disarming Americans on this one. The buffoon will not close the border and he's importing jihadee's. He created BLM and a racist movement unseen in decades. No wonder we broke a record on Black Friday with background checks. I hope it was 200k new American firearms enthusiasts.

If California is truly a self ruled State, I expect they will repeal all 2nd Amendment violations and arm themselves accordingly to prepare for the next attack...

Feed&Guns wrote:

K.Mooneyham wrote:After reading through the posts on here, I will say this. I heard the police briefing just a bit ago. The spokesman (the Chief?) said that police response time was only 4 minutes from the first 9-1-1 call. That sounds like a very decent response time, and I believe the police did their utmost to get there in an expedient manner. Also, they were able to track and end those killers without any additional injury or death to folks living there, to the best of my knowledge. However, the old expression held as true as it could in this case: "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away". That is no dig at the police in the slightest; they did their best. However, they simply cannot be everywhere trouble may happen, it's impossible. The best defense is an armed defense by the citizenry. This was a tragically horrible event, I am glad the murderers were stopped, but I wish that someone had been able to do something when the whole thing started. I really do feel bad for the families and friends of those lost and injured.

Everything you said. Times two.

I heard the whole shooting was over in 30 seconds. It's not possible to have the cops respond that fast. Not even if they were inspired by Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi. The ONLY thing that would have stopped that would be someone at the scene with a gun. In a sad sort of way, we can blame CA legislature for these deaths. Maybe if they made a law restricting mags to just 5 rounds, this tragedy wouldn't have happened.

I recall Virginia Tech. "Cho's shooting rampage inside Norris Hall lasted approximately nine minutes" http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/04/ ... 3620070426

Good response I read on Twitter to all the anti-gun rhetoric that any kid with a cell phone should understand but most will choose to ignore:

@shkoops1
How amazing would it have been if someone in #SanBernadino had a handheld device that could have prevented casualties