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Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:35 pm
by newlife12176
Just OC'd at Costco. I have been a member there for over 5 years. Never saw any 06 sign so I didn't know they were anti-2. Door guy stopped me and called a manager over. Manager said "I'm sorry but we are a membership business and do not allow open carry of firearms". I said, "yeah, of which I AM a member". He said, "sorry only LE can open carry". So this is only the second time I have open carried since Jan 1 and the SECOND time I've been asked not to. Pretty pathetic. Considering Sams membership now.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:36 pm
by fickman
Thankfully he only gave you oral notice for open carry, and not all carry.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:50 pm
by Pawpaw
Costco and I have an arrangement...
They don't ask and I don't tell.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:56 pm
by Oldgringo
JALLEN wrote:Costco has made it plain that they won't post signs. They are a private membership warehouse, and if you enter with a firearm, and are discovered, however it happens, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot.
This saves them the cost of all those signs (Costco is very frugal) and is a policy that can be used everywhere they operate, regardless of state law.
Costco,
et al, are classic 'don't ask, don't tell' situations.
Why, oh why, do we keep belaboring the validity of the various signs in the various locations? Pull up your big boy/girl undies, make an adult decision, and either go in or don't. Either way, one does does not need validation from this forum. It's quite obvious that whatever decision one makes, its merits can/will be debated
ad nauseum in/by this august body.
Have a nice day, y'all.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:09 pm
by mr1337
JALLEN wrote:Costco has made it plain that they won't post signs. They are a private membership warehouse, and if you enter with a firearm, and are discovered, however it happens, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot.
This saves them the cost of all those signs (Costco is very frugal) and is a policy that can be used everywhere they operate, regardless of state law.
They're starting to post both signs on their liquor stores, which are attached but have a separate entrance.
This is probably due to confusion with TABC laws.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:21 pm
by JALLEN
mr1337 wrote:JALLEN wrote:Costco has made it plain that they won't post signs. They are a private membership warehouse, and if you enter with a firearm, and are discovered, however it happens, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot.
This saves them the cost of all those signs (Costco is very frugal) and is a policy that can be used everywhere they operate, regardless of state law.
They're starting to post both signs on their liquor stores, which are attached but have a separate entrance.
This is probably due to confusion with TABC laws.
Don't those have to be separately owned? Those are also not members only.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:23 pm
by stars200
mr1337 wrote:JALLEN wrote:Costco has made it plain that they won't post signs. They are a private membership warehouse, and if you enter with a firearm, and are discovered, however it happens, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot.
This saves them the cost of all those signs (Costco is very frugal) and is a policy that can be used everywhere they operate, regardless of state law.
They're starting to post both signs on their liquor stores, which are attached but have a separate entrance.
This is probably due to confusion with TABC laws.
The Costco liquor stores do not require a membership to shop there, at least the one in East Plano is that way. I have not seen them post at this locations liquor store but have not been in since OC started. I was in the main store this weekend and CC'd, but did not pay any attention the liquor store. They may be thinking that since you do not need a membership that they better post for non Costco members. Then again, could be confusion on the TABC rules too.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:35 pm
by prufrock
Oldgringo wrote:JALLEN wrote:Costco has made it plain that they won't post signs. They are a private membership warehouse, and if you enter with a firearm, and are discovered, however it happens, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot.
This saves them the cost of all those signs (Costco is very frugal) and is a policy that can be used everywhere they operate, regardless of state law.
Costco,
et al, are classic 'don't ask, don't tell' situations.
Why, oh why, do we keep belaboring the validity of the various signs in the various locations? Pull up your big boy/girl undies, make an adult decision, and either go in or don't. Either way, one does does not need validation from this forum. It's quite obvious that whatever decision one makes, its merits can/will be debated
ad nauseum in/by this august body.
Have a nice day, y'all.
You nailed it, bud.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:44 pm
by WildBill
prufrock wrote:Oldgringo wrote:JALLEN wrote:Costco has made it plain that they won't post signs. They are a private membership warehouse, and if you enter with a firearm, and are discovered, however it happens, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot.
This saves them the cost of all those signs (Costco is very frugal) and is a policy that can be used everywhere they operate, regardless of state law.
Costco,
et al, are classic 'don't ask, don't tell' situations.
Why, oh why, do we keep belaboring the validity of the various signs in the various locations? Pull up your big boy/girl undies, make an adult decision, and either go in or don't. Either way, one does does not need validation from this forum. It's quite obvious that whatever decision one makes, its merits can/will be debated
ad nauseum in/by this august body.
Have a nice day, y'all.
You nailed it, bud.
I missed your first post, but welcome to the forum. Your screen name brings back good memories.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:04 pm
by VMI77
prufrock wrote:
You nailed it, bud.
J. Alfred, is that you?
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:34 pm
by cowhow
Pawpaw wrote:Costco and I have an arrangement...
They don't ask and I don't tell.
Is Sam's any different?
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:54 am
by drjoker
LucasMcCain wrote:Lena wrote:Agreed ...
To me if a sign is posted in view legal or not someone took the time to do so to convey a wish or thought, for me I would not question it..
In many cases, this is true. However, there are also many cases where the decision to disallow licensed carry was made at the corporate level. The person running the individual store feels differently, so he posts a non compliant sign. He has fulfilled his responsibility to corporate without actually keeping anyone from carrying in his store. Unfortunately, the only way to know which of these scenarios you're dealing with is to ask. Asking will often result in compliant signs being posted. Personally, I feel that concealed means concealed. I will carry past non compliant signs, but of course leave immediately if asked. Ultimately, though, how you react to these situations is a personal decision, and I would not dream of criticizing your way of handling them.
very wise words.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:17 am
by Right2Carry
LucasMcCain wrote:Lena wrote:Agreed ...
To me if a sign is posted in view legal or not someone took the time to do so to convey a wish or thought, for me I would not question it..
In many cases, this is true. However, there are also many cases where the decision to disallow licensed carry was made at the corporate level. The person running the individual store feels differently, so he posts a non compliant sign. He has fulfilled his responsibility to corporate without actually keeping anyone from carrying in his store. Unfortunately, the only way to know which of these scenarios you're dealing with is to ask. Asking will often result in compliant signs being posted. Personally, I feel that concealed means concealed. I will carry past non compliant signs, but of course leave immediately if asked. Ultimately, though, how you react to these situations is a personal decision, and I would not dream of criticizing your way of handling them.
There is absolutely no proof that this happens.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:47 am
by cowhow
As every time I leave my home armed I make a moral and ethical decision in doing so. Its the same type of personal decision with signage. I may know their intent but if the sign is unenforceable then, to me, it''s transparent. If I allow intent to govern where I CC then I'm regessing back to the days of gunbuster signs. It's a more difficult circumstance with OC. I think this gets to the very reason PC 30.06 was created in the first place. It's not our responsibility to scour web sites trying to figure out a business's gun policy. According to PC 30.06 it is the business owner's job to inform us in a very specific way.
Re: Costco ?
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:56 am
by baldeagle
cowhow wrote:Pawpaw wrote:Costco and I have an arrangement...
They don't ask and I don't tell.
Is Sam's any different?
They are not signed, and they have always stated that they follow state law. I haven't been there since the 1st, so I don't know if anyone is open carrying in their stores.