Re: Speaker Bonnen's betrayal of Texas gun-owners
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:35 pm
Lt. Gov. Patrick demonstrated recently that Committee Chairs can be removed/replaced (in the Senate). Is this not an option in the House?
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Don't point me to general crap that doesn't address my questions. Show me where he voted against Texas gun owners. Show me evidence that he does not fully support the Second Amendment. I looked at your links and didn't see anything on these issues. The VoteSmart website didn't show any answers to the gun-related questions.mojo84 wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:57 pmLook at his chairman choices. Look at who his donors are and who he aligned himself. He is a Strauss ally.. Look st the link I provided that shows his position on gun rights. He indicated he supports what we currently have.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:25 pmShow me any evidence that he was not fully supportive of the Second Amendment. Show me where he voted against gun owners. Do that, then I'll believe you thought he would betray gun owners.mojo84 wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:48 pmNo, I'm not the only one in Texas. There are many that knew he would be Strauss 2.0.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:21 pmThen you're the only person in Texas who isn't surprised. Bonnen has an A rating and, until now, it is well-deserved. He always voted with gun owners. Today is a new day.mojo84 wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:00 pm Not the least bit surprised. What is his NRA 2nd Amendment rating?
http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluati ... EjX9GlMGyU
Chas.
He is not a conservative and is no different than the other RINO's. http://index.empowertexans.com/legislat ... 2017-index
This here indicates he has no interest in advancing guns rights. http://votesmart.org/candidate/politica ... EkqMWlMGyU
He is ok with the status quo.
I wil agree that I may be one of the few Texans that doesn't believe the NRA ratings are the holy grail when it comes to legislators' position on gun rights. I know the NRA tries its best but I do not believe their ratings are as sound as many others think.
Chas.
Much of the problem with the Republican party is we can't figure out who is a real Republican and who is playing the game to gain power.
It's known he was a Strauss ally. Why would we think he would do different? http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_state_legi ... l_conflict
Texas Monthly reported be was a Straus ally.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/t ... peaker/ven
Phil King would have been fantastic on our issues! He has an A+ rating and you don't get the "+" unless you carry our bills and work hard to get them passed.crazy2medic wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:24 am I was worried my representative Phil King was going to be speaker of the house, I guess Bonnen was a chameleon!
No, that's not a red flag. Once it is clear that a specific person has the votes to be elected Speaker, everyone who wants the committees of their choice and wants to get their bills passed will vote for the chosen one. When a handful of Representatives voted against Strauss, their bills didn't pass and they didn't get the committees they wanted.1911 Raptor wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:24 am2nd red flag should have been when every single democrat voted for him. It just amazes me how the minority party seems to always get what they want. We are being played by both sides!mojo84 wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:54 amIt's my understanding he is and has been a Straus ally.1911 Raptor wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:31 am Didn’t someone post about Straus supporting this guy? Red flags should have went up then!
I don't recall gun bills ever being sent to State Affairs. If they are this session, it will be solely because of the firestorm his committee appointments to the Homeland Security & PUblic Safety Committee and the Criminal Jurisprudence Committee have generated. This is Bonnen's only way out of the political disaster he has created for himself and his fellow Republicans.RoyGBiv wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:20 amLet's hope so.... I suppose we'll find out shortly.Papa_Tiger wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:52 am https://texasscorecard.com/state/bonnen ... xas-house/
Interesting take on the House Committee appointments:
The Committee on Homeland Security and Public Safety has now been given to Democrat State Rep. Poncho Nevarez (Eagle Pass). While pro-gun legislation had traditionally been sent to this committee, it may be a sign that bills such as constitutional carry could be sent to the Committee on State Affairs instead.
I'm going to trust your judgement on this one, your in the trenches and I'm not! Your knowledge of Texas legislature and how it works far exceeds mine, you lead and I shall follow!Charles L. Cotton wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:39 pmPhil King would have been fantastic on our issues! He has an A+ rating and you don't get the "+" unless you carry our bills and work hard to get them passes.crazy2medic wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:24 am I was worried my representative Phil King was going to be speaker of the house, I guess Bonnen was a chameleon!
Chas.
Charles,Charles L. Cotton wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:36 pmDon't point me to general crap that doesn't address my questions. Show me where he voted against Texas gun owners. Show me evidence that he does not fully support the Second Amendment. I looked at your links and didn't see anything on these issues. The VoteSmart website didn't show any answers to the gun-related questions.mojo84 wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:57 pmLook at his chairman choices. Look at who his donors are and who he aligned himself. He is a Strauss ally.. Look st the link I provided that shows his position on gun rights. He indicated he supports what we currently have.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:25 pmShow me any evidence that he was not fully supportive of the Second Amendment. Show me where he voted against gun owners. Do that, then I'll believe you thought he would betray gun owners.mojo84 wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:48 pmNo, I'm not the only one in Texas. There are many that knew he would be Strauss 2.0.Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:21 pmThen you're the only person in Texas who isn't surprised. Bonnen has an A rating and, until now, it is well-deserved. He always voted with gun owners. Today is a new day.mojo84 wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:00 pm Not the least bit surprised. What is his NRA 2nd Amendment rating?
http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluati ... EjX9GlMGyU
Chas.
He is not a conservative and is no different than the other RINO's. http://index.empowertexans.com/legislat ... 2017-index
This here indicates he has no interest in advancing guns rights. http://votesmart.org/candidate/politica ... EkqMWlMGyU
He is ok with the status quo.
I wil agree that I may be one of the few Texans that doesn't believe the NRA ratings are the holy grail when it comes to legislators' position on gun rights. I know the NRA tries its best but I do not believe their ratings are as sound as many others think.
Chas.
Much of the problem with the Republican party is we can't figure out who is a real Republican and who is playing the game to gain power.
It's known he was a Strauss ally. Why would we think he would do different? http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_state_legi ... l_conflict
Texas Monthly reported be was a Straus ally.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/t ... peaker/ven
You want to point to issues other than the Second Amendment, but that's your problem, not mine. I was talking about guns, not other issues. The NRA rates based upon votes on gun issues, not abortion, taxes or anything else you want to consider.
You said you knew he would betray gun owners. I'm still waiting for your proof.
Chas.
Dennis Bonnen has refused to provide voters with positions on key issues covered by the 2018 Political Courage Test, despite repeated requests from Vote Smart and voters like you.
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The Political Courage Test asks candidates which items they will support if elected. It does not ask them to indicate which items they will oppose. Through extensive research of public polling data, we discovered that voters are more concerned with what candidates would support when elected to office, not what they oppose. If a candidate does not select a response to any part or all of any question, it does not necessarily indicate that the candidate is opposed to that particular item.
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Please indicate which principles you support (if any) concerning gun issues in Texas.
a) Support the federal ban on the public sale of certain semi-automatic assault weapons.
b) Increase restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
c) Maintain all current state registration procedures and restrictions on possessing firearms.
d) Ease state procedures and restrictions on the purchase and registration of a firearm.
e) Repeal all bans and measures that restrict law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms.
Xf) Continue to allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms.
Soccerdad1995 wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:51 am I'm having a hard time understanding why any committee chairs are members of the minority party. Is this the way that things are traditionally done in the Texas house? I believe at the federal level, committee chairs are all members of the majority party (currently democrats for the House).
Can someone enlighten me on whether we typically have Democratic committee chairs appointed in a Republican majority state House, and Republican committee chairs appointed in a Democratic majority state House?
The Speaker can send any bill to any committee they wish. However, sending a bill to a clearly inappropriate committee would have repercussions.E.Marquez wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:32 pm Chas, are there rules in place that a bill must go to committee A vs B?
If a bill historically goes to Homeland security for consideration, is it required, or just normal?
Could the type of bill that in the past has always gone to homeland security, in this session be put to some other committee?
If so, who controls what bill goes to what committee?
Cosigned. I've never understood why in a state where the GOP has controlled both houses of the Legislature by overwhelming margins for (what seems like) decades, the minority party even gets to sniff a committee chair position.Soccerdad1995 wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:51 am I'm having a hard time understanding why any committee chairs are members of the minority party. Is this the way that things are traditionally done in the Texas house? I believe at the federal level, committee chairs are all members of the majority party (currently democrats for the House).
Can someone enlighten me on whether we typically have Democratic committee chairs appointed in a Republican majority state House, and Republican committee chairs appointed in a Democratic majority state House?
I noticed Stickland's been quiet too. that's pretty odd.IlliniBill wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:03 pm For those that have contacted your representatives, have you heard anything back? I haven't gotten a response to my message. I also noticed that the usual rabid gun folks like Stickland have been completely silent on the issue.