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Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:11 pm
by parabelum
Thanks Gov. Abbott!

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:11 pm
by PUCKER
"Texas Supreme Court Orders Release of Dallas Salon Owner in COVID-19 Controversy"

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus ... s/2365261/

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 1:25 pm
by rtschl
Mark Davis of 660 AM here in Dallas posted the following statement on Twitter from her attorney Warren Norred. Twitter is not letting me copy the link to Mark's feed (emphasis mine):

Atty #WarrenNorred on #HabeasCorpus writ that sprung #ShelleyLuther: "She's in contempt of a temporary restraining order. TRO generally has to have a bond. If you want to tell somebody they can't work you have to put up a bond for the amount of money that you are denying them."

#ShelleyLuther attorney #WarrenNorred on the #HabeasCorpus ruling that sprung her: Court failed to post a bond indemnifying her against lost income as a result of temporary restraining order. No bond, no TRO. No TRO, no contempt. Quotes to follow. #FreeShelleyLuther

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 2:06 pm
by Jusme
JMHO

But I believe this will get worse, before it gets better. This one case in Texas is just the tip of the iceberg. Left wing Governors, mayors, sheriffs, etc. have gotten a taste of autonomy, and will be loathe to cede that power.
The only bright side that I see, is that people across political spectrums see what true authoritarianism, is like, and are responding in kind with demonstrations, and defiance. I just hope that this carries over to the ballot box, and the people show these tyrants that it won’t be tolerated.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 2:25 pm
by EP45
What recourse is available in this circumstance? I would like to see the judge held responsible for his abuse of power.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:25 pm
by philip964
rtschl wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:25 pm Mark Davis of 660 AM here in Dallas posted the following statement on Twitter from her attorney Warren Norred. Twitter is not letting me copy the link to Mark's feed (emphasis mine):

Atty #WarrenNorred on #HabeasCorpus writ that sprung #ShelleyLuther: "She's in contempt of a temporary restraining order. TRO generally has to have a bond. If you want to tell somebody they can't work you have to put up a bond for the amount of money that you are denying them."

#ShelleyLuther attorney #WarrenNorred on the #HabeasCorpus ruling that sprung her: Court failed to post a bond indemnifying her against lost income as a result of temporary restraining order. No bond, no TRO. No TRO, no contempt. Quotes to follow. #FreeShelleyLuther
Oh that is awesome.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 3:28 pm
by Grayling813
AndyC wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 2:16 pm
Jusme wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 2:06 pm Left wing Governors, mayors, sheriffs, etc. have gotten a taste of autonomy, and will be loathe to cede that power.
Then any responses/consequences will be on their heads. This whole shebang has had a useful effect in flushing/spotlighting the would-be tyrants.
Probably none of them have read (and understood) the book "Unintended Consequences."

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:40 pm
by anygunanywhere
Grayling813 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:28 pm
AndyC wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 2:16 pm
Jusme wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 2:06 pm Left wing Governors, mayors, sheriffs, etc. have gotten a taste of autonomy, and will be loathe to cede that power.
Then any responses/consequences will be on their heads. This whole shebang has had a useful effect in flushing/spotlighting the would-be tyrants.
Probably none of them have read (and understood) the book "Unintended Consequences."
:iagree: :iagree:

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:07 pm
by TreyHouston
Can someone explain this to me? From what I understand she was sent to jail for contempt of court. The judge did not rule on her case. The Texas Supreme Court stepped in and ordered an immediate release from jail pending acceptance of her case.

How can the Texas Supreme Court debate taking her case if the case hadn’t been ruled on. Can another court overrule a contempt of court? This is very confusing

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:10 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
TreyHouston wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:07 pm Can someone explain this to me? From what I understand she was sent to jail for contempt of court. The judge did not rule on her case. The Texas Supreme Court stepped in and ordered an immediate release from jail pending acceptance of her case.

How can the Texas Supreme Court debate taking her case if the case hadn’t been ruled on. Can another court overrule a contempt of court? This is very confusing
In addition, I would like to know if the contempt of court charge was because she refused to tell the court she was selfish and sorry for what she did.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:18 pm
by rtschl
TreyHouston wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:07 pm Can someone explain this to me? From what I understand she was sent to jail for contempt of court. The judge did not rule on her case. The Texas Supreme Court stepped in and ordered an immediate release from jail pending acceptance of her case.

How can the Texas Supreme Court debate taking her case if the case hadn’t been ruled on. Can another court overrule a contempt of court? This is very confusing
I believe you are correct that it was Contempt of Court for Violating the Temporary Restraining Order. But per my post above from her attorney: Court failed to post a bond indemnifying her against lost income as a result of temporary restraining order. No bond, no TRO. No TRO, no contempt.

So once the first domino fell (no bond indemnifying her), everything else is moot. I heard her attorney on Tucker Carlson state he had filed a writ of Habeas Corpus which I believe is for unlawful detention or imprisonment, which the Supreme Court granted. But I'll let the lawyers weigh in and see if what her attorney said is correct.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:20 pm
by rtschl
03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:10 pm
In addition, I would like to know if the contempt of court charge was because she refused to tell the court she was selfish and sorry for what she did.
I believe the judge said he would waive the jail term if she apologized for being selfish and admit she was wrong. But I think the Contempt charge was for violating the Temporary Restraining Order.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:43 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
rtschl wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:20 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:10 pm
In addition, I would like to know if the contempt of court charge was because she refused to tell the court she was selfish and sorry for what she did.
I believe the judge said he would waive the jail term if she apologized for being selfish and admit she was wrong. But I think the Contempt charge was for violating the Temporary Restraining Order.
Ahhh... OK. I was thinking if it was for refusing to kiss his royal highness behind it would be a real bad deal. Thanks for the info.

Re: TX: Dallas mom sentenced to week in jail for refusing to apologize to judge

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:45 pm
by rtschl
03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:43 pm
Ahhh... OK. I was thinking if it was for refusing to kiss his royal highness behind it would be a real bad deal. Thanks for the info.
I want to be fair, but I don't think your far off the mark there.