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Oldgringo wrote: How do you like my personality now?

Ameer wrote:

Oldgringo wrote: How do you like my personality now?

I for one didn't notice any difference.

chasfm11 wrote:

Purplehood wrote:The reason for carrying is never knowing how/when or why you are going to end up in a life-threatening situation despite your misguided attempts at living a decent law-abiding life.
Telling a kid to "shush" shouldn't end up like this. Are you advocating that when we encounter kids like this in the theater we simply go ask for a refund and leave, thereby condoing the behavior?

I don't think that contacting management and asking for a refund is condoning the behavior. I do think that our society has decided that just about any other course of action is going to go against us, no matter how noble the intention and manner of delivery.

When teens get together as a group, the results can be unpredictable. Addressing a group of teens in any fashion is almost always seen by them as confrontational no matter how you do it. Add radical differences between the requester and the teens (and there are several combinations to choose from) and you are almost guaranteed a confrontation.

We've had two threads in the last couple of weeks where well intentioned folks attempted to address aberrant public behavior in a group and both situations escalated. Keeping in mind that my first goal is to protect myself and my family, I'll take these situations as a sign that my attempt to address similar public behavior in the future is likely to result in a similar escalation. In addition, I'm very concerned that if a violent confrontation occurred, the truth about what happened would never see the light of day since it would be many to one (or two) telling the story. The thread where the guy was attacked by two unarmed women and a boyfriend confirms that, too.

We have a choice of movie houses in our area. AMC, which is 30.06 posted and Tinseltown, which is not. I'd never think about going to the movie unarmed so AMC is not an option for me. That said, I don't go to the movies to attempt to cure the ills of society. If I'm going to be faced with an unruly mob (and that is the best description that I can come up with, based on my reading of the story), I'm going to hand the
situation over to others. I wouldn't hesitate to get theater management and/or LEOs involved but I'm not going to attempt it myself. If nothing else underscores the gravity of the potential situation, the fact that the teens in the article were willing to take on uniformed, armed LEOs should. Wasn't there a wise saying about the best way to win a gun fight was not to be there when it happened? If I'm forced into, that is one thing. If I have the option not to be there, I'm going to take it.

SlowDave wrote:I understand what y'all are saying, but giving up the movie theaters to the thugs doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's our various levels of risk acceptance. (I do roadrace motorcycles, so...)

Winchster wrote:Video of interview with the wife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaVcP7xKBYc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

VMI77 wrote: Based on other comments you've made in other threads I think you realize that this is exactly the kind of society the liberal anti-self-defense crowd is trying to cultivate. If this happened in one of our People's Republic states like Kalifornia or New Jersey, and the people attacked defended themselves, even if the truth saw the light of day, they'd be excoriated as thugs and the thugs would be lamented as victims. It might not happen that way here but the number of people who would automatically empathize with these young thugs is mind bogglingly large and growing. This attitude is no accident: it's the inevitable outcome of over three decades of liberal indoctrination in the schools and in the media, and short of a complete societal meltdown, won't be easily reversed --just look at the UK.

chasfm11 wrote:I'm open to suggestions. What course of action do you recommend?

baldeagle wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:I'm open to suggestions. What course of action do you recommend?

The culture has to change. Nothing else will fix the problem. For far too long some of those who know what's right have ceded the playing field to the Marxists who want to change the country. (Certainly not the Charles Cotton's of our country, but far too many.) They have heard and read and discussed things but merely shook their heads in disgust and went about living their lives. If we want to save this country, we can no longer do that. We must all push for change and not back down. Otherwise we are doomed.

baldeagle wrote:

Winchster wrote:Video of interview with the wife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaVcP7xKBYc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting. According to the reporter the teens backed off when a man helping the couple "flashed a gun".

chasfm11 wrote:

VMI77 wrote: Based on other comments you've made in other threads I think you realize that this is exactly the kind of society the liberal anti-self-defense crowd is trying to cultivate. If this happened in one of our People's Republic states like Kalifornia or New Jersey, and the people attacked defended themselves, even if the truth saw the light of day, they'd be excoriated as thugs and the thugs would be lamented as victims. It might not happen that way here but the number of people who would automatically empathize with these young thugs is mind bogglingly large and growing. This attitude is no accident: it's the inevitable outcome of over three decades of liberal indoctrination in the schools and in the media, and short of a complete societal meltdown, won't be easily reversed --just look at the UK.

You are right and I agree with you. The Liberal society is trying to cultivate this kind of a situation. Now comes the question: what to do about it. I see confrontation with a group of teens as a no win situation. To me, it is no different than me trying to take on 5 well trained attackers all armed with combat level rifles with my handgun. I'm not going to win. The best that I can hope for is not to lose too badly (by taking at least a couple of them with me.)

I'll crusade with the best of them but I want a better chance of producing a good result than this situation appears to offer. Faced with an unavoidable situation like the marine was, I'll do what I have to do. What I've been trying to point out that the situation is, in part, avoidable. If I don't put myself and my wife in a situation where the conflict is likely, I'm not going to have to deal with it. My going to jail because I shot a teen in a mob does not, in my opinion, keep the trend from turning our country into an extension of Kalifornia.

I'm open to suggestions. What course of action do you recommend?

VMI77 wrote: More broadly we have to eject liberals from power wherever possible, get control of our schools back and reverse the collectivist liberal indoctrination, make people accountable for their behavior at all levels of society, be they children, politicians, bankers, TSA bureaucrats, or school principals (focusing on making the leadership accountable, not the rank and file), and expose and educate as many people as possible to the concepts of individual responsibility for self-defense to reverse the current collectivist orientation. Given the fact that the bankers and politicians conspired to loot the country in the biggest theft and fraud in the history of the world and got away with it Scot free, I'm not optimistic about any political solutions. That pretty much leaves grassroots style education and outreach as our only options.