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Personally I think in a situation like you described the last thing I would want to do is flash something shiny in the direction of the responding officers.

If I have my gun out and a cop shows up, I don't want to flash any badge, I want to drop my gun as fast as I can. The sooner the gun is out of my hands, the sooner I am less likely to be perceived as a threat to the cop. (It helps to have a modern gun that won't discharge when it hits the ground.)

When asked about CHLs on campus ("how do the cops know who the bad guy is"), my answer is "the good guys always drop their guns when the cops tell them to".

...nothing soothes the savage soul with a shotgun aimed at you like the sight of empty palms...once the po-po arrives and both the perp (if he's still alive) and I are covered...NOTHING will be in my hands...

I concur that it is not a good idea to be messing with something small and shiny when the Law arrives, but having a gun going to the ground and an unfolded wallet overhead containing what appears to be a badge "may not be" the worst thing in the world. It is a tactic used by UC and Detective LEO's and like I said before, if it gives just a second of pause in a high speed encounter....i could be a second worth a lifetime.

** Disclaimer** I DO NOT own one of these, nor do I plan to. I am merely saying that I am open minded to ANY option that may help a CHL'erandr any other legally armed or law abiding person come home safe at the end of the day.

Scott in Houston wrote:
Again, thanks for sharing. I think we can all learn from stories like yours.

Yes, we can learn from that story. We can learn to holster our ding dang gun before the SWAT team shows up!

If the gun is in your hand when the cops show up, yer doin it wrong.

If it was me, not only would there be no gun in my hand, the pistol would be neatly arranged in 3 pieces on the ground at least 5 feet away from me: Frame, slide, and magazine.

OldCannon wrote:If the gun is in your hand when the cops show up, yer doin it wrong.

If it was me, not only would there be no gun in my hand, the pistol would be neatly arranged in 3 pieces on the ground at least 5 feet away from me: Frame, slide, and magazine.

That happens automatically if you are shooting a Highpoint, Jaminez or Phoenix.

Seriously, you are right, if there is any reason you still feel in danger at that locaiton, you should be doing everything you can to move away from it, and once away holster your CCW. If the threat is stopped at the location you were originally at, then there is no reason for you to have the pistol in your hand when the police arrive.

Keith B wrote:

OldCannon wrote:If the gun is in your hand when the cops show up, yer doin it wrong.

If it was me, not only would there be no gun in my hand, the pistol would be neatly arranged in 3 pieces on the ground at least 5 feet away from me: Frame, slide, and magazine.

That happens automatically if you are shooting a Highpoint, Jaminez or Phoenix.

Seriously, you are right, if there is any reason you still feel in danger at that locaiton, you should be doing everything you can to move away from it, and once away holster your CCW. If the threat is stopped at the location you were originally at, then there is no reason for you to have the pistol in your hand when the police arrive.

Here is a pretty good video on how to respond when police arrive following a shooting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vaC6jCIyLo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keith B wrote:

OldCannon wrote:If the gun is in your hand when the cops show up, yer doin it wrong.

If it was me, not only would there be no gun in my hand, the pistol would be neatly arranged in 3 pieces on the ground at least 5 feet away from me: Frame, slide, and magazine.

That happens automatically if you are shooting a Highpoint, Jaminez or Phoenix.

Seriously, you are right, if there is any reason you still feel in danger at that locaiton, you should be doing everything you can to move away from it, and once away holster your CCW. If the threat is stopped at the location you were originally at, then there is no reason for you to have the pistol in your hand when the police arrive.

And in addition to that I want to add that placing the firearm on the ground assembled or in pieces is a bad idea from a tactical, and possibly legal, point of view. Tactically you could still have multiple threats that have not revealed themselves and ready access to your weapon could still be needed. Legally it could be construed as tampering with evidence. If it's not in use it should be in a holster.

G.A. Heath wrote:

Keith B wrote:

OldCannon wrote:If the gun is in your hand when the cops show up, yer doin it wrong.

If it was me, not only would there be no gun in my hand, the pistol would be neatly arranged in 3 pieces on the ground at least 5 feet away from me: Frame, slide, and magazine.

That happens automatically if you are shooting a Highpoint, Jaminez or Phoenix.

Seriously, you are right, if there is any reason you still feel in danger at that locaiton, you should be doing everything you can to move away from it, and once away holster your CCW. If the threat is stopped at the location you were originally at, then there is no reason for you to have the pistol in your hand when the police arrive.

And in addition to that I want to add that placing the firearm on the ground assembled or in pieces is a bad idea from a tactical, and possibly legal, point of view. Tactically you could still have multiple threats that have not revealed themselves and ready access to your weapon could still be needed. Legally it could be construed as tampering with evidence. If it's not in use it should be in a holster.

Here is what we were told to do, and can't gurantee it won't get you killed. IF your holding a gun on the bad guy... say you didn't shoot him but holding him, OR he is very much alive and shot..... call 911, advise them you are the guy in the whatercolor shirt holding the gun on the perp. Insist on staying online until police arrive, reminding them numerous times YOU have the gun and will follow police direction when they arrive.

That is also good advice in that circumstance.

There was NO way I was going to reholster until the law got there. We had moved to a point where we could observe and cover the apt, but due to the layout of the complex, we couldn't drive out without passing in front of either the front or the back of the apt. I fully expected, and was prepared for him to return outside with another weapon and I was not about to be put in a position where I needed to bother with drawing my weapon again.

Our biggest hurdle was the amount of information coming in to 911 from persons at the complex other than me, and the vast amount of info that had to be disseminated and passed along to responding units. By the time most of the neighbors began to look out I was the "man with a gun" at their neighbors apartment.

This was a VERY high speed event. I did what was necessary, did what was prudent at the time, and thankfully I came out in good shape. Could it have gone bad....absolutely! So could my next trip to the ATM.......

I live my life with a tactical mindset and unfortunately, due to the actions of others, have been put in a situation where is is a mindset of necessity. All I can say is practice practice practice. This does NOT mean go out weekly and punch holes in paper. Do you need that, yes....but I believe you need FAR more exposure to stress while shooting and LOTS of "what if" scenario roleplay...whether in your mind or in real life training. Think about WHAT IF, think about it often and think up a plan of action. Always have a plan....

Humanphibian wrote:There was NO way I was going to reholster until the law got there. We had moved to a point where we could observe and cover the apt, but due to the layout of the complex, we couldn't drive out without passing in front of either the front or the back of the apt. I fully expected, and was prepared for him to return outside with another weapon and I was not about to be put in a position where I needed to bother with drawing my weapon again.

Our biggest hurdle was the amount of information coming in to 911 from persons at the complex other than me, and the vast amount of info that had to be disseminated and passed along to responding units. By the time most of the neighbors began to look out I was the "man with a gun" at their neighbors apartment.

This was a VERY high speed event. I did what was necessary, did what was prudent at the time, and thankfully I came out in good shape. Could it have gone bad....absolutely! So could my next trip to the ATM.......

I live my life with a tactical mindset and unfortunately, due to the actions of others, have been put in a situation where is is a mindset of necessity. All I can say is practice practice practice. This does NOT mean go out weekly and punch holes in paper. Do you need that, yes....but I believe you need FAR more exposure to stress while shooting and LOTS of "what if" scenario roleplay...whether in your mind or in real life training. Think about WHAT IF, think about it often and think up a plan of action. Always have a plan....

Something needs to be done to prevent this kind of garbage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHKPi0Posl8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Plano Tx PD was who I was dealing with and they were consummate professionals. Thankfully so. Like I have stated several time...it was very dynamic, but at NO time did I feel like I was in danger from them. I acknowledged their arrival verbally, as well as physically......listened EXACTLY to what they said and was off the ground and cleared as a threat in less than 2 minutes.

Humanphibian wrote:Plano Tx PD was who I was dealing with and they were consummate professionals. Thankfully so. Like I have stated several time...it was very dynamic, but at NO time did I feel like I was in danger from them. I acknowledged their arrival verbally, as well as physically......listened EXACTLY to what they said and was off the ground and cleared as a threat in less than 2 minutes.

As it should and that's great. One the video the attorney says that the Phoenix ones usually are. Only takes one idiot... but that could happen on anything.