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Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:45 am
by 03Lightningrocks
VMI77 wrote:The fact that the vast majority of criminals on death row or in prison for life aren't dead, suggests that they'd rather be alive and in prison than dead.
Maybe. What if they believe that killing yourself is the ultimate sin? Even worse than killing others? You can ask forgiveness or say a few hail marys if you kill someone. You cannot ask forgiveness if you kill yourself.
The death penalty involves no pain. You simply go to sleep and never wake up. If we are going to truly make the death penalty work, we should kill them with as much pain as possible.
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:24 pm
by VMI77
03Lightningrocks wrote:VMI77 wrote:The fact that the vast majority of criminals on death row or in prison for life aren't dead, suggests that they'd rather be alive and in prison than dead.
Maybe. What if they believe that killing yourself is the ultimate sin? Even worse than killing others? You can ask forgiveness or say a few hail marys if you kill someone. You cannot ask forgiveness if you kill yourself.
The death penalty involves no pain. You simply go to sleep and never wake up. If we are going to truly make the death penalty work, we should kill them with as much pain as possible.
Some may believe that but I tend to think the majority don't care about what is or is not a sin. Besides, there are plenty of ways to die in prison without committing suicide.
Since the Constitution prohibits "cruel and unusual" punishment I don't think killing with as much pain as possible will pass Constitutional muster.
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:53 pm
by mamabearCali
ummmmm.....cruel and unusual punishment is not okay. No where near.
Even if one supports the death penalty I don't think we need to bring back crucifixion or drawing and quartering or any other such gore.
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:23 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
mamabearCali wrote:ummmmm.....cruel and unusual punishment is not okay. No where near.
Even if one supports the death penalty I don't think we need to bring back crucifixion or drawing and quartering or any other such gore.
Nobody said it was. It was a hypothetical post to make a point. One would need to read the several posts before that one to get it.
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:47 pm
by OldCurlyWolf
WildBill wrote:Abraham wrote:How many other folks are in prison that shouldn't be?
Too many. That may be a flippant remark, but what is the acceptable number for people in prison who are not guilty?
To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson:
Tis better that 100 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.
Wish I could remember precisely.
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:25 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
OldCurlyWolf wrote:WildBill wrote:Abraham wrote:How many other folks are in prison that shouldn't be?
Too many. That may be a flippant remark, but what is the acceptable number for people in prison who are not guilty?
To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson:
Tis better that 100 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.
Wish I could remember precisely.
My answer to the question posed by wildbill is, NONE, IF I AM ONE OF THEM!
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:53 pm
by tbrown
OldCurlyWolf wrote:To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson:
Tis better that 100 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.
Back then, they also believed it was better that 100 burglars be shot in the act than for a single homeowner to be injured by a burglar who turns violent.
Re: More evidence of why people don't trust the "system"
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:32 pm
by mamabearCali
tbrown wrote:OldCurlyWolf wrote:To paraphrase Thomas Jefferson:
Tis better that 100 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.
Back then, they also believed it was better that 100 burglars be shot in the act than for a single homeowner to be injured by a burglar who turns violent.
I'm ok with that.