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FormerTSgt wrote:

PBR wrote:wow - just went to look at oct facebook and they deleted a post I made and banned me from further posting -- don't remember the post word for word but was along the lines of blaming Huffines and Grisham being at fault for the bill probably being killed and that the amendment was a stupid amendment that was already covered in constitutional law. also said they need to write everyone an apology letter saying they are sorry for letting everyone down if it doesnt get hashed out in committee or passed -- had many jump all on me over there for blaming Huffines and Grisham, I wanted to reply more to them but cant now.

edited: they already talking about doing more in your face tatics and marches with rifles. i replied to them go ahead all your gonna do is make them take that right away with the crazy in your face stuff, that was like pouring gas on a fire they flamed up so quick saying thats the only reason it got this far

I had been arguing with them since last night, I had over half a dozen posts on there and actually got some people to agree with me. As of a few minutes ago they deleted all my posts (Jon Jononymous) and banned me from further posting.

well, I thought they were all about Rights, including the 1st

Did I see this right? Is this the House's conferees for committee?


House Conferees: Appointed (05/27/2015) Phillips (Chair) | Burns | Geren | King, Phil | Nevárez

When is the Senate going to name conferees, they really need to meet...TODAY!

FormerTSgt wrote:What's laughable is right after deleting our posts OCT is now asking that the amendment be stripped. Go figure.

Are they too dense to realize that if it's stripped, the bill is dead? That would send it to the Senate (assuming it survived the House), where Ellis, et. al. are waiting to filibuster it.

conn6554 wrote:Did I see this right? Is this the House's conferees for committee?


House Conferees: Appointed (05/27/2015) Phillips (Chair) | Burns | Geren | King, Phil | Nevárez

Yep, I seen that late last night

chamberc wrote:Our good friend Kory is at it again, lead DMN story:

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ ... erty.html/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With friends like that...... how does that go..... oh yes! Who needs enemies?

FormerTSgt wrote:

PBR wrote:

FormerTSgt wrote:
I had been arguing with them since last night, I had over half a dozen posts on there and actually got some people to agree with me. As of a few minutes ago they deleted all my posts (Jon Jononymous) and banned me from further posting.

lol I was wondering who Jon was, yea they did mine quicker than yours. Of course don't think anyone agreed with me or at least posted agreeing. Did have a couple of likes, think one was by you. Oh well just shows that the truth hurts. Still no reply to my or your posts on Huffines page, but honestly think someone post for him cause seems he never replies to anything.

What's laughable is right after deleting our posts OCT is now asking that the amendment be stripped. Go figure.

Yea just trying to save face as much as possible

Tracker wrote:

well, I thought they were all about Rights, including the 1st

wish I could post to remind them of that

Ruark wrote:

FormerTSgt wrote:What's laughable is right after deleting our posts OCT is now asking that the amendment be stripped. Go figure.

Are they too dense to realize that if it's stripped, the bill is dead? That would send it to the Senate (assuming it survived the House), where Ellis, et. al. are waiting to filibuster it.

if not stripped @josefortexas or someone may fillibuster it? if is stripped @RodneyEllis will? ...

@JohnCarona 3 hours ago
Amending Open Carry bill to disallow police questioning risks cops' safety. Its common sense---except to the Libertarians. #TXLege

Some Dem will filibuster no matter what.

Scott Farkus wrote:Some Dem will filibuster no matter what.

Last session a misguided Democrat tried to filibuster a "pet bill". The filibuster failed, but she did waste enough time that the bill died.

And the governor called a special session. Different governor now, but I suspect we'd see much the same result, since it was a major part of his campaign.

Guess the gist is, it didn't all turn out so well for Wendy D or fellow D's.

NotRPB wrote:

Ruark wrote:

FormerTSgt wrote:What's laughable is right after deleting our posts OCT is now asking that the amendment be stripped. Go figure.

Are they too dense to realize that if it's stripped, the bill is dead? That would send it to the Senate (assuming it survived the House), where Ellis, et. al. are waiting to filibuster it.

if not stripped @josefortexas or someone may fillibuster it? if is stripped @RodneyEllis will? ...

@JohnCarona 3 hours ago
Amending Open Carry bill to disallow police questioning risks cops' safety. Its common sense---except to the Libertarians. #TXLege

No, if it's not stripped or changed in any way, it would just go back to the House for a 2nd concurrence vote, where they don't have discussion or debate, just a simple majority vote, and from there, assuming it passed, it would go to the governor. If the committee strips or changes the amendment, it's dead, because it would have to go through both chambers with discussion/debate allowed, and there are factions in both chambers waiting to filibuster it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, the ONLY way 910 has a chance of surviving is to come back from the conference committee absolutely unchanged and go to that 2nd concurrence vote.

And with people like Nevarez on that committee, I'm not optimistic.

Open Carry Faces Filibuster Threat In Senate

by Morgan Smith May 28, 2015
http://www.texastribune.org/2015/05/28/ ... at-senate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

timtheteacher wrote:Senate Conference members just announced....read to fast to catch all Estes, Huffman, Huffines, Uresti and one more

And Eltife

The vote to send it to conference committee was overwhelming.... 70 something against to 90 something in favor. It is hard to see how a 20+ vote difference would suddenly swing the other way and vote to pass it in the event that the committee reports the bill back to the floor unchanged. That is a political fiction existing only in the fairyland imaginations of the most fringe OC supporters.

THAT is why the Huffhines amendment was a poison pill. If the Senate had voted to pass the bill as is, without creating a scenario where their final bill conflicted with the House's final bill, HB 910 would have been signed into law yesterday. Instead, and as I understand it, the conference committee now faces these possibilities in order to iron out the differences:

1. The first possibility is that the committee would vote to send the bill back out, unchanged, for an up or down vote in the House. IF THAT HAPPENS, there are only two possible outcomes:
   
   1. Least likely outcome of that: the 20+ vote margin in the House that originally voted against the bill in its current form, change their minds and they vote to pass the bill as is.
   2. Most likely outcome: the 20+ vote margin in the House that originally voted against the bill in its current form, all stand firm on their conviction that the Huffines Amendment makes bad law, and they refuse to pass it......for the same reasons they refused to pass it before.
2. The second possibility is that the conference committee would recommend changes to the bill and refer it back out. If they make changes, the following things have be be resolved before June 1st..........and let me remind all those who kept touting how smart Huffines was, today is May 28th and it is nearly 2pm as I write this..... so for all practical purposes, June 1st is only 3 days away. That means that there are 3 days to get this thing done, IF THE LEGISLATURE TACKLES NO OTHER BUSINESS (and it is not the case that there is no other business to tackle):
   
   • The Bill has to go back to the Senate, where it absolutely WILL be filibustered, killing any hope of passing OC in this session. THANK YOU Senator Huffines, for your unswerving and badly articulated defense of principle, even if it means killing a good bill.
     
     AND
   • The Bill has to go back to the House, were time will run out before they can reconcile ANYTHING with a filibustered Senate. And again.... THANK YOU Senator Huffines for your brand of political genius.

Please God, WHEN are the OCT apologists going to admit that they got taken downtown and spanked by reality? HERE is the reality:

1. HB 910, sans Huffine's meddling, was not a perfect bill, but it was a good bill. Without Huffine's meddling, we would have had OC signed into law today. Period. That is a given fact.
2. There is historical precedence for this. When CHL first passed, it was not perfect either, and it has been amended and tweaked several times over the years to make it better. What examples? Here:
   
   • Amended to add 30.06.
   • Amended to remove penalties for failure to disclose CHL to LEO.
   • Amended to change wording for unintentional failure to conceal.
   • Amended to remove the requirement for the licensee to take a CHL renewal class.
   • Amended to reduce license fees for veterans and LEOs.
   • Amended to add employee parking lot protections.
   • There are more that I won't bother to list here, EXCEPT to say that:
   • It MIGHT have been amended to allow OC this year, if Huffines hadn't opened his pie hole.
   • We MIGHT have gotten Campus Carry passed if OC had not sucked up all the oxygen in the room.
   • We MIGHT have gotten an expanded list of places where we can carry, but OC burned up all the time and political capital.
     
     Etc., etc., etc.

To you guys who think Huffines is a principled genius, it's NOT just that we might not get OC (it doesn't look good), but we also didn't get a lot of other equally important things because, as the debates dragged on and on over OC, either time ran out, or the political capital necessary ran out, before those other things could be accomplished. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF Huffines had not butted in and screwed it all up, we would have at least had OC, even if we didn't get the other things. BUT..... BECAUSE Huffines butted in, the only possibility we have of salvaging anything this session is if those 20+ votes in the House who would not vote to pass the amended bill will change their minds and vote in favor, as is. I like a snowball's chance in hades as better odds.

Thank you for cutting off all of our noses to spite your face.