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v7a wrote:While we wait for the children to play nice, some legal news from the 6th Circuit:

The Fourth Amendment and open carry of guns (where such open carry is legal)

While open-carry laws may put police officers (and some motorcyclists) in awkward situations from time to time, the Ohio legislature has decided its citizens may be entrusted with firearms on public streets. Ohio Rev. Code §§ 9.68, 2923.125. The Toledo Police Department has no authority to disregard this decision — not to mention the protections of the Fourth Amendment — by detaining every “gunman” who lawfully possesses a firearm. And it has long been clearly established that an officer needs evidence of criminality or dangerousness before he may detain and disarm a law-abiding citizen. We thus affirm the district court’s conclusion that, after reading the factual inferences in the record in Northrup’s favor, Officer Bright could not reasonably suspect that Northrup needed to be disarmed.

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

"There is no deal to talk about," says @DBonnen, denying reports of one on tax cuts.

safety1 wrote:

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Rep. Charlie Geren, R-Fort Worth, reacting to the Houston Chronicle's report of the possible deal, said, "The train is off the track.

"There is some concern that some people are using the press to negotiate, and we're not going to negotiate that way. So, right now, there is no deal. There is none. Zero," Geren said. "The train is off the track at this point, because we don't negotiate in the newspaper. We negotiate between the House and the Senate."

the political drama over tax-cuts has grown more intense, with major bills reportedly held up in both chambers as the leadership jockeyed for position on tax relief, a political plum for the chamber that can claim credit for cutting taxes.

safety1 wrote:

safety1 wrote:

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Charles, any of this founded?
Thanks in advance!

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

safety1 wrote:

safety1 wrote:

Jason73 wrote:Perhaps this is a glimmer of hope in this whole debacle...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texa ... 261285.php

AUSTIN — House and Senate negotiators are 'getting close' to a compromise plan on tax cuts that would drop a proposed sales tax cut, clearing the way to resolve the biggest stalemate in the legislative session, according to several lawmakers close to the talks.

By early Wednesday afternoon, negotiators reportedly were close to agreement on tweaks to property-tax cuts and changes to proposed business-franchise tax cuts that possibly would satisfy both legislative chambers.

The potential deal: Increase the standard property tax homestead exemption by $10,000 and cut the business-franchise tax by 25 percent.

That gives the House the business-tax cut it wanted, and gives the Senate a property-tax cut it wanted. Details still were being worked out.

A House proposal for sales-tax cuts is off the table, according to senators who said they had been briefed on the discussions.

As part of the deal, the Senate and House then would move forward to pass bills on expanded border-security funding, removing the Public Integrity Unit ethics watchdog unit from Travis County to the Texas Rangers and open-carry legislation.

Thanks for the post Jason73

Charles, any of this founded?
Thanks in advance!

I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Syntyr wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Chas, after the dust has settled would you give us the scoop on who was throwing wrenches into this session so that we can adjust our votes accordingly? Although at this point I am almost afraid it would have to vote for none of the above...

Thanks

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I'm not saying anything because what is accurate now may be inaccurate in 5 minutes. This is hands down the worst, least productive legislative session I've seen in 35 years. Childish ranting, backstabbing, outright lying, you name it, it's going on. If the only thing that passes is open-carry, then this session will be an absolute disaster and even that is far from certain.

Chas.

Chas, after the dust has settled would you give us the scoop on who was throwing wrenches into this session so that we can adjust our votes accordingly? Although at this point I am almost afraid it would have to vote for none of the above...

Thanks

I'll be painfully candid. I am so mad now that I want to tell every single thing I know regardless who it hurts. When I cool down I'm certain I'll think better of that approach and be more of a statesman. I will not hesitate to point out the two guys most responsible, but that will hardly be a revelation.

Chas.