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mloamiller wrote:Grand Prairie Police and Fire headquarters building, at Arkansas and 161, is 30.06 posted.

I sent an email to the city attorney asking them to explain why this was posted; no response.

I was in the building earlier this week and saw the Chief of Police, so I asked him about it. He acknowledged that the sign couldn't be enforced in the public, non-secure areas. He said it was there because if you did carry into the building and entered the secure area, you would have to put your gun in a lockbox, at which point it would be obvious you were armed. His concern was that the civilian receptionists would then feel unsafe, knowing someone was armed, and he would have to add bullet-proof screens around the receptionists desk. This would not only be expensive, but would ruin the open feeling of the reception area (and it is a very nice building/lobby). He went on to say that if anyone challenged the placement of the signs, he may have to do that anyway.

So the good news is he knew the law and acknowledged my right to carry in the public areas of the building. I'm not real happy with the decision to post the sign anyway, however, as it just makes it more confusing for those who aren't as familiar with the law, and what can be enforced.

I guess my issue is that 30.06 sign has nothing to do with it, it sounds like he's acknowledging that they're abusing the sign to coddle people so in the end, they're still going at it the wrong way. If someone is armed and needs to secure in a restricted area, they deal with that. A 30.06 sign used wrong doesn't fix anything.

mloamiller wrote:

mloamiller wrote:Grand Prairie Police and Fire headquarters building, at Arkansas and 161, is 30.06 posted.

I sent an email to the city attorney asking them to explain why this was posted; no response.

I was in the building earlier this week and saw the Chief of Police, so I asked him about it. He acknowledged that the sign couldn't be enforced in the public, non-secure areas. He said it was there because if you did carry into the building and entered the secure area, you would have to put your gun in a lockbox, at which point it would be obvious you were armed. His concern was that the civilian receptionists would then feel unsafe, knowing someone was armed, and he would have to add bullet-proof screens around the receptionists desk. This would not only be expensive, but would ruin the open feeling of the reception area (and it is a very nice building/lobby). He went on to say that if anyone challenged the placement of the signs, he may have to do that anyway.

So the good news is he knew the law and acknowledged my right to carry in the public areas of the building. I'm not real happy with the decision to post the sign anyway, however, as it just makes it more confusing for those who aren't as familiar with the law, and what can be enforced.

I wonder if he knows there's a bill in the pipeline that might cost the city some money if it stays up.

I've had my CHL now for about 7 years and haven't seen a 30.06 sign yet. I live in a fairly large city and the only signs I've seen relating to carrying a firearm are on liquor stores and convenient stores. It's not a 30.06 sign and it says, the unlicensed carry of a handgun is prohibited on the premises. I personally don't care what kind of sign someone has posted. If they say no guns, I don't go in. They may be losing a customer, but if it's private property that's their right. No way am I going to risk losing my CHL to prove a point.

I'm new to the CHL forum and would also like to say howdy. I joined up mainly to keep an eye on what's going on with the open carry bills and to see what folks are saying about it. Living in a very populated city I won't be doing any open carry but I think it's a good thing. Won't have to worry about accidentally showing or printing. If out in the country,rural areas, or places where I know people won't freak out, I certainly would open carry. Lets hope the House gets it done.

Craven Moorehead wrote:I've had my CHL now for about 7 years and haven't seen a 30.06 sign yet. I live in a fairly large city and the only signs I've seen relating to carrying a firearm are on liquor stores and convenient stores. It's not a 30.06 sign and it says, the unlicensed carry of a handgun is prohibited on the premises. I personally don't care what kind of sign someone has posted. If they say no guns, I don't go in. They may be losing a customer, but if it's private property that's their right. No way am I going to risk losing my CHL to prove a point.

I'm new to the CHL forum and would also like to say howdy. I joined up mainly to keep an eye on what's going on with the open carry bills and to see what folks are saying about it. Living in a very populated city I won't be doing any open carry but I think it's a good thing. Won't have to worry about accidentally showing or printing. If out in the country,rural areas, or places where I know people won't freak out, I certainly would open carry. Lets hope the House gets it done.

Welcome to the forum Craven.

Have you gone into any of the businesses with the "unlicensed possession" signs?

C-dub wrote:

Craven Moorehead wrote:I've had my CHL now for about 7 years and haven't seen a 30.06 sign yet. I live in a fairly large city and the only signs I've seen relating to carrying a firearm are on liquor stores and convenient stores. It's not a 30.06 sign and it says, the unlicensed carry of a handgun is prohibited on the premises. I personally don't care what kind of sign someone has posted. If they say no guns, I don't go in. They may be losing a customer, but if it's private property that's their right. No way am I going to risk losing my CHL to prove a point.

I'm new to the CHL forum and would also like to say howdy. I joined up mainly to keep an eye on what's going on with the open carry bills and to see what folks are saying about it. Living in a very populated city I won't be doing any open carry but I think it's a good thing. Won't have to worry about accidentally showing or printing. If out in the country,rural areas, or places where I know people won't freak out, I certainly would open carry. Lets hope the House gets it done.

Welcome to the forum Craven.

Have you gone into any of the businesses with the "unlicensed possession" signs?

Why yes I have. Because I'm licensed.

Craven Moorehead wrote:

C-dub wrote:

Craven Moorehead wrote:I've had my CHL now for about 7 years and haven't seen a 30.06 sign yet. I live in a fairly large city and the only signs I've seen relating to carrying a firearm are on liquor stores and convenient stores. It's not a 30.06 sign and it says, the unlicensed carry of a handgun is prohibited on the premises. I personally don't care what kind of sign someone has posted. If they say no guns, I don't go in. They may be losing a customer, but if it's private property that's their right. No way am I going to risk losing my CHL to prove a point.

I'm new to the CHL forum and would also like to say howdy. I joined up mainly to keep an eye on what's going on with the open carry bills and to see what folks are saying about it. Living in a very populated city I won't be doing any open carry but I think it's a good thing. Won't have to worry about accidentally showing or printing. If out in the country,rural areas, or places where I know people won't freak out, I certainly would open carry. Lets hope the House gets it done.

Welcome to the forum Craven.

Have you gone into any of the businesses with the "unlicensed possession" signs?

Why yes I have. Because I'm licensed.

Great! I got a little worried there for a second.

mloamiller wrote:

mloamiller wrote:Grand Prairie Police and Fire headquarters building, at Arkansas and 161, is 30.06 posted.

I sent an email to the city attorney asking them to explain why this was posted; no response.

I was in the building earlier this week and saw the Chief of Police, so I asked him about it. He acknowledged that the sign couldn't be enforced in the public, non-secure areas. He said it was there because if you did carry into the building and entered the secure area, you would have to put your gun in a lockbox, at which point it would be obvious you were armed. His concern was that the civilian receptionists would then feel unsafe, knowing someone was armed, and he would have to add bullet-proof screens around the receptionists desk. This would not only be expensive, but would ruin the open feeling of the reception area (and it is a very nice building/lobby). He went on to say that if anyone challenged the placement of the signs, he may have to do that anyway.

So the good news is he knew the law and acknowledged my right to carry in the public areas of the building. I'm not real happy with the decision to post the sign anyway, however, as it just makes it more confusing for those who aren't as familiar with the law, and what can be enforced.

They have them on the Grand Prairie tax office too.

The City of Grapevine recently invested Millions of $$ in a renovation of the Community activities center and Recreation facility. The do not have a 30.06 sign posted but do have a sign that reads "This is a weapon free campus". The only buildings on the "campus" are the Recreation center and Community Center. there are no court rooms or clerks offices on the premise. Is this legitimate?

Grapevinebill wrote:The City of Grapevine recently invested Millions of $$ in a renovation of the Community activities center and Recreation facility. The do not have a 30.06 sign posted but do have a sign that reads "This is a weapon free campus". The only buildings on the "campus" are the Recreation center and Community Center. there are no court rooms or clerks offices on the premise. Is this legitimate?

I don't believe it a violation as it is not 30.06. They probably know they can't post it 30.06 so they are posting that sign. My city posts a city ordinance against carrying a weapon on their various properties with a gunbuster sign but they know that it is not enforceable for CHL. I guess it is to make some "anti" feel better.

I didn't read 60 pages to see if
It was mentioned, but the Houston gun show (at the George R Brown convention center) and the Pasadena Gun Show (Pasadena convention center) have both been posted every time I've gone. Both buildings are owned by the city, and should not be posted. Last time I went to the houston show, they actually had an officer at the door announcing the sign telling everyone that even if you are licensed you can't carry in there and will be arrested if caught. It has been a few years since I went to one, so not sure if they're still posted.

gtrman66 wrote:

mloamiller wrote:

mloamiller wrote:Grand Prairie Police and Fire headquarters building, at Arkansas and 161, is 30.06 posted.

I sent an email to the city attorney asking them to explain why this was posted; no response.

I was in the building earlier this week and saw the Chief of Police, so I asked him about it. He acknowledged that the sign couldn't be enforced in the public, non-secure areas. He said it was there because if you did carry into the building and entered the secure area, you would have to put your gun in a lockbox, at which point it would be obvious you were armed. His concern was that the civilian receptionists would then feel unsafe, knowing someone was armed, and he would have to add bullet-proof screens around the receptionists desk. This would not only be expensive, but would ruin the open feeling of the reception area (and it is a very nice building/lobby). He went on to say that if anyone challenged the placement of the signs, he may have to do that anyway.

So the good news is he knew the law and acknowledged my right to carry in the public areas of the building. I'm not real happy with the decision to post the sign anyway, however, as it just makes it more confusing for those who aren't as familiar with the law, and what can be enforced.

They have them on the Grand Prairie tax office too.

As of yesterday (9/1), the signs had been removed from the police department building. Don't know about the tax office.

Has anyone checked the Collin County Tax Office? It's had a 30.06 as long as I can remember.

Also what about Love Field? They put up 30.06s when they built the new terminal.

How about an update on the Fort Worth Zoo. Is anyone pursuing this?
If not, I'll head down there today and get started.