Re: Why a Home Defense Shotgun?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:39 pm
It's not much good against crooks but a cable lock through the action of a pump shotgun is a cheap way to help prevent accidents.
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I use a cable lock on all of mine when they aren't in my control. I take it off of the shotty at night before bed in case I go for it rather than the .40 under my pillow.roberts wrote:It's not much good against crooks but a cable lock through the action of a pump shotgun is a cheap way to help prevent accidents.
Do not underestimate how ingenious a couple of children can be, even at that age. If they want something bad enough, they'll find a way to get it.fickman wrote:The DAO revolvers and DA/SA Sig are all kept well out of reach at all times - no way they can stack stuff high enough to reach them.
QFT if you have the money do it. :) It's fun to have a toy.dihappy wrote:If you got the money, do it.
Thanks for the word of caution. . . I realize you have to give it since you don't know me personally and the extents I go to in order to guarantee that the kids are safe. I said earlier, I assume nothing and take nothing for granted.LarryH wrote:Do not underestimate how ingenious a couple of children can be, even at that age. If they want something bad enough, they'll find a way to get it.fickman wrote:The DAO revolvers and DA/SA Sig are all kept well out of reach at all times - no way they can stack stuff high enough to reach them.
Amen, I believe that 100%. If you have to go through 5 layers of security, then you're in trouble when the time comes that you need it. You only have seconds to be ready to protect yourself and your family. I ALWAYS have a firearm that is quickly accessible.fickman wrote:As Charles Heston said, if the gun isn't loaded (and I'll add - accessible), then it's not for home defense.
I usually only have one firearm at a time ready for protection, (sometimes 2) but I always have at least one. I carry at home 100% of the time. Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go. I didn't mean to insinuate that all of my firearms were locked except at night. Just any firearm that is not actively in my control at the time.fickman wrote:I'll remind you that home invasions don't only happen when everybody's tucked away into bed for the night.
Even taking the advice of using a cable lock except at night (which doesn't help you if there is a daytime home invasion or other emergency)...
Well, until I get the gun safes, I'm considering adopting your cable lock procedure. It'll require more active management of the firearms on a daily basis, but as the kids get older, it's wise to do.Cutter wrote:I usually only have one firearm at a time ready for protection, (sometimes 2) but I always have at least one. I carry at home 100% of the time. Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go. I didn't mean to insinuate that all of my firearms were locked except at night. Just any firearm that is not actively in my control at the time.
I forgot to say that I would LOVE to have one of those nice gun safes, but they are very expensive. Certainly expensive when compared to a cable lock running through the action of the gun. You can get a decent cable lock for $6 - $7 and it does the trick. It's much easier to come up with $7 X the [number of your firearms] than it is to come up with the cash for the safe. If money were not an issue, I'd have a big ol' gun safe sitting in my bedroom right now. It would be nice, not just for guns, but for important papers, cash, jewelry and anything of value and would protect a lot of that stuff in case of fire.fickman wrote:Well, until I get the gun safes, I'm considering adopting your cable lock procedure. It'll require more active management of the firearms on a daily basis, but as the kids get older, it's wise to do.Cutter wrote:I usually only have one firearm at a time ready for protection, (sometimes 2) but I always have at least one. I carry at home 100% of the time. Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go. I didn't mean to insinuate that all of my firearms were locked except at night. Just any firearm that is not actively in my control at the time.
I had a cowoker whose 6-year-old could "read" any password or PIN as it was entered. They tested him against a 130WPM typist and he got an 8-character password on the second try.fickman wrote:FWIW, an ingenious kid can also open a safe - either by watching over your shoulder,
Take a look at the LJ3 here: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2323.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (pistol version LJ1 http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2322.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) You can get a pistol and a shotgun one keyed alike so you just need one key to put the pistol away and get the shotgun out at bedtime, or vice versa in the morning. It looks like it would be a lot less of a pain to get on and off, and less likely to scuff the gun than a cable lock.Cutter wrote:Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go.
Those are cool, and I like the idea of one key. Not too expensive either.KD5NRH wrote:Take a look at the LJ3 here: http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2323.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (pistol version LJ1 http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2322.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) You can get a pistol and a shotgun one keyed alike so you just need one key to put the pistol away and get the shotgun out at bedtime, or vice versa in the morning. It looks like it would be a lot less of a pain to get on and off, and less likely to scuff the gun than a cable lock.Cutter wrote:Even if my rifle, shotguns and spare sidearm have a cable lock, then one sidearm does not and is on me and ready to go.
Note, however, that the shotgun version, as far as I know, only works for right-side-eject guns, since it has a piece that enters the ejection port to fully disable the gun. This also requires that the chamber be left open, but it should be a simple matter to situate it so that you just unlock it and leave the gun in unless it's needed.
Glad that we could clear that up for you, it's just another service that we provide. No need to send cash, this one is on the house.poppo wrote:Well, after reading all 7 pages of this thread, I've changed my mind about a dozen times.
lol!poppo wrote:Well, after reading all 7 pages of this thread, I've changed my mind about a dozen times.