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Notice what I said was our class was TOLD "5 years" several years ago. That's not saying their current "3 year" is "incorrect" or that my statement was "incorrect". It is but one of many instance of their communicating different information to different instructors at various times. If communicating at all.

Don't instructors still have to renew every two years? So if the initial instructor class was five years ago, wouldn't there be two DPS classes more recently than that?

That said, no argument on the communication breakdown. That's never been one of their strengths.

apostate wrote:Don't instructors still have to renew every two years? So if the initial instructor class was five years ago, wouldn't there be two DPS classes more recently than that?

That said, no argument on the communication breakdown. That's never been one of their strengths.

Instructors do not take a class to renew. It is an online test and have a local instructor verify your proficiency.

Next month will be 17 years since some of us did the initial DPS CHL Instructor school - when there were some top drawer people (at all levels) in charge of the program. This thread viewtopic.php?f=18&t=27501" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; partially describes how far down the toilet parts of the program had gone when many of us were there in person the last time almost 3 years ago.

The "online test" thing in early 2011 recertified what - maybe 2000 instructors ? Then some laws changed on Sept. 1, 2011, the DPS "Instructor Updates" web page (which we we told to watch) remained largely unchanged and, unless self-initiated, we have not had so much as an e-mail from DPS, much less a "newsletter" in longer than I care to remember.

Yes, some of us follow issues independently of DPS and try to stay current through the internet, seminars, networking, etc. But my guess is there are at least 2,000 "part time" instructors out there who do not. So yes, this audit thing may be a good thing for program - but certain people in Austin need to go take themselves a long, hard look in the mirror first.

wgoforth wrote:

apostate wrote:Don't instructors still have to renew every two years? So if the initial instructor class was five years ago, wouldn't there be two DPS classes more recently than that?

That said, no argument on the communication breakdown. That's never been one of their strengths.

Instructors do not take a class to renew. It is an online test and have a local instructor verify your proficiency.

I'm looking forward to DPS allowing CHL renewals take the online test and spend 15 minutes on the range instead of half the day in class.

emcee rib wrote:

wgoforth wrote:

apostate wrote:Don't instructors still have to renew every two years? So if the initial instructor class was five years ago, wouldn't there be two DPS classes more recently than that?

That said, no argument on the communication breakdown. That's never been one of their strengths.

Instructors do not take a class to renew. It is an online test and have a local instructor verify your proficiency.

I'm looking forward to DPS allowing CHL renewals take the online test and spend 15 minutes on the range instead of half the day in class.

That will require a change in the Government Code. Requiring no class will be difficult and it will likely cost reciprocity with a number of states.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

emcee rib wrote:I'm looking forward to DPS allowing CHL renewals take the online test and spend 15 minutes on the range instead of half the day in class.

That will require a change in the Government Code. Requiring no class will be difficult and it will likely cost reciprocity with a number of states.

A lot of "shall issue" states don't require classes for renewals and have no difficulty getting reciprocity with many other states. Florida is one example. Is there something different about the Texas CHL?

Sorry I haven't been around much, being a full time fishing guide has been keeping me busy this spring/summer.

I'll weigh in here. I got a call last year saying they were going to do this and all you guys thought I was imagining things. LOL Guess what??? I got a call today letting me know I will be getting a visit. First "he" said audit, then said "not really an audit, just checking to make sure instructors are doing what they are supposed to be doing"....LOL I'd call that an audit.

Now....where did I hide all those CHL 100s????? Just kidding...

I may have one problem though. Do you guys write a new lesson plan for each class? I have been doing pretty much the same thing for so long, I can tell you how many minutes I am ahead or behiind by the video or slide we are on. I do tweak it from time to time just to improve or make it smoother, however it's like clockwork.

DPS expressly told instructors that we are not to keep test sheets or any scores on the shooting portion of the class. The CHL-100 is the only documentation of passing or failing the classroom and proficiency portions of the course. I have not received any information changing those instructions, so I will continue to comply until an official change.

Chas.

My auditor asked to see

A target (non perforated was fine)
A copy of all my class notifications (which I didn't have because I emailed them to the DPS after unsuccessfully trying to send them in electronically on the DPS site)
A copy of the actual test
The student's tests (just a glance to see if I indeed had them)
Copies of my class completion forms (which I didn't have because I mailed them to the DPS) "How do you know who completed the class?" asked the Auditor. I replied, "I have a copy of their CHL-100."
Copies of the CHL-100s
And some questions about what I cover in class, at which point I pulled up my PowerPoint presentation and showed him the actual slide the topic was discussed.

I did tell him that I did not remember us having to keep copies of the Class Notification or Class Completion forms (but we may have been told). I also asked him to please pass on that we instructors are hanging out here with no communication from the DPS. No updates, no newsletter, and the website is iffy.

Overall it was a pleasant visit and not a big deal. He noted everything and said thank you.

troglodyte wrote:My auditor asked to see

The student's tests (just a glance to see if I indeed had them)

Does this mean you're keeping the tests after the students take them?

Yes. I thought we had to along with a copy of their CHL-100

troglodyte wrote:Yes. I thought we had to along with a copy of their CHL-100

See a few posts up: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 97#p792012" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What tests? I don't have any tests.

Thanks for the heads up!

Greybeard wrote:Notice what I said was our class was TOLD "5 years" several years ago. That's not saying their current "3 year" is "incorrect" or that my statement was "incorrect". It is but one of many instance of their communicating different information to different instructors at various times. If communicating at all.

It sounds like instructor renewal classes might be needed more than license renewal classes.